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06-21-2017 , 08:10 AM
Can this be x/f?

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BTN: $10.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 1,6, Hands: 510
SB: $10.20 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 2,7, Hands: 66
Hero (BB): $19.25 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 20, 3B: 7, AF: 2,5, Hands: 75713
UTG: $18.26 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 15, 3B: 6, AF: 6,0, Hands: 134
MP: $17.93 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 18, 3B: 6, AF: 0,0, Hands: 49
CO: $10.00 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 17, 3B: 7, AF: 2,2, Hands: 375

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with Q Q
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.26, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.95, BTN calls $0.69

Flop: ($1.95) 5 4 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.62, BTN calls $0.62

Turn: ($3.19) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.30, BTN calls $2.30

River: ($7.79) 8 (2 players)
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06-21-2017 , 08:25 AM
Raise a little larger pre, bet around 1/2 pot on the flop, shove river. No, it can't be a x/f here, you are at the very top of your range.
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06-21-2017 , 08:28 AM
Yeah tricky, my first thought was I'd take exact same line and c/f, but on second thoughts maybe a small b/f. I guess it partly depends on whether he has 99-JJ in his range still. If you think so, I'd might lean towards bet fold.
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06-21-2017 , 08:29 AM
He definitely has those hands in his range, but idk about small b/f with that spr, and I just never bluff with a small bet there, It's either c/f or shove IMO. If he heroes 99-JJ then we can shove but otherwise it's c/f
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06-21-2017 , 08:41 AM
sizing pre is fine, no need to raise bigger. Flop needs larger sizing 1/2 - 2/3pot and I would use the same sizing on turn. As played you might consider c/calling if he bets like half pot.
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06-21-2017 , 09:57 AM
need to shove river imo
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06-21-2017 , 12:16 PM
larger flop to set up a better river shove

good luck, btw we are not at top of range, we'll prob have 53s maybe 63s maybe 54s 75s KK AA but we still want to go for the gold here

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06-21-2017 , 03:30 PM
Agreed that QQ isn't even close to the top of your range.

I don't think the hands you beat will bet if you x, but might call you down, so I like bet, bet, bet. Depends on the player what sizing I take.
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06-21-2017 , 04:31 PM
There is formula for optimal sizing in spots like this

0 = 1 – (2Y)(1 + 2X + X^2)
where Y is how often we lose and X is our sizing and if we lose to 40 % our sizing should be 11 % of the pot.I give V range of A2s-A5s 66-JJ 76s 67s.Maybe we can discount some of 5x 67s because he would shove river or raise flop with those,but even that we should bet like 25 % of the pot so c/f seems like ok option.
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06-21-2017 , 05:38 PM
Flop bet looks so weak and too low. Set the pot up better then ez shove river.
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06-22-2017 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by K40cheddar
Flop bet looks so weak and too low. Set the pot up better then ez shove river.
I could be wrong about the following;

BTN seems to have reggish stats so far. If hero has any dynamic with V in these positions, when hero 3b and the flop is 545 rainbow, this is a flop that is going to be bet pretty frequently as light as KQ high imo. Betting small here keeps his entire range that we beat still in the hand including some A highs that would fold to a larger bet size. It also reduces the price of bluffs which don't need to work as often had hero chosen a larger size.

Same thing ott, however, his turn calls are now reduced to straights, A5, over pairs and BDFD. Hero bets targeting the over pairs and the draws which imo can be a bit larger like $2.75 set up a better river shove.

River kind of sucks. Still, betting/shoving may get calls from 77, 99-JJ which are still in there ott. He won't bet these hands otr if hero checks, so betting/shoving is still getting value from part of Vs range, and a better option than checking.

Just my opinion and as I said, could be totally off.
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06-24-2017 , 05:06 AM
its an easy jam with Qc, closer w/o it but i dont expect 99/TT/JJ to fold ever. Just one of these thin value spots where we shouldnt deviate from optimal play unless V is capable of making hero folds.

Vs some opponents, this would be a trivial xf, but not vs unknown.
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