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Would you call this donk reraise all in with KK??? Would you call this donk reraise all in with KK???

08-18-2017 , 09:14 PM
IPoker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - IPoker Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

BB ($24.90)
UTG ($27.09)- VPIP: 42, PFR: 26, 3B: 17, AF: 1.7, Hands: 38
Hero (MP) ($52.60)
Button ($33.10)
SB ($38.40)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, K
UTG raises $0.75, Hero raises $2.25, 3 folds, UTG calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.85) 7, 2, 8 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.75, UTG calls $2.75

Turn: ($10.35) 6 (2 players)
UTG bets $2.50, Hero raises $8.75, UTG raises $19.59 (All-In)
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08-19-2017 , 12:09 AM
This small donk bet is one of two things generally, he's trying to induce or he's trying to see a cheap river. The times they're trying to see a cheap river they're not 3bet shoving when you raise, they're folding.

Fold.
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08-19-2017 , 01:06 AM
never folding vs a whale for this price. this could be 99-QQ, random spaz, and we're nearly getting the price to call off vs 2 pair
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08-19-2017 , 03:38 AM
are you expecting him to literally never have overpairs here? You are priced in vs 2p+ and 4 combos of overpair... 99 has combo draw as well fish will go nuts with that kind of hand.
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08-19-2017 , 04:00 AM
Yeah definitely, he shows up with all sorts of hands here that you're ahead of.

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08-19-2017 , 10:45 AM
I could see this particular type of player doing this with 66, 77, 88, 99, TT, JJ, QQ, 89s, 9Ts, A8ss, A9ss, ATss, AJss, AQss. I gave this villain so many of these hands just because of his VPIP. I know he has some pretty good draws and possible trips here, but I think it would still be a correct call against this range since the all in is on the turn.
I don't know...this is a pretty gross spot. I'd love to here from someone else and see what they think here.
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08-19-2017 , 11:32 AM
Do you have showdown stats on the villain? That would be helpful to know how often they see showdowns, what their win percentage looks like. They could be overplaying an overpair or have a big combo draw, pair plus draw etc.

The other thing to consider is what your hand looks like. You 3bet pre, cbet the flop and raised the turn. I doubt the villain is hoping for a fold when they shove.

Just because a player is active pre doesn't mean they stack off lightly post.
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08-19-2017 , 01:24 PM
I do sometimes forget to look at the showdown stats, and I have to admit that I didn't look at that stat. I'm going to look it up and post it on here.
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08-19-2017 , 01:31 PM
WTSD%- 33% 33(9)
-WST- 43% 43(7)

WonSD%-33% 33(3)

***Very small sample I know. I play on Ignition.
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08-19-2017 , 03:48 PM
Sample on villain isn't all that useful. Villain could be a bad LAG, a fish with some understanding, a total whale, or even a decent reg who's been dealt some good hands. The turn action makes the reg option less likely, but it's still a possibility. And that's just as far as the preflop stats, the showdown stats are virtually useless.

Raising the turn for that sizing seems pretty questionable to me if you don't have the intention of calling a shove, since you're investing >50% of your stack and giving yourself such a good price to call. I don't really see why you'd want to leave such a low SPR for the river if you weren't trying to get villain to get all of his chips in.

I'm not thrilled with getting it in while having so little info, I'd much rather call the turn and see what villain does on the river.
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08-19-2017 , 04:27 PM
My initial thought the first pass through was to just call as well. But it feels kind of dirty letting him set the price at 1/4 pot. It's definitely a tricky spot. You may be priced to call Rick based on your reraise but I wouldn't feel thrilled once he shoves. Whitemares makes the most compelling point, if you're going to raise it should be with intentions of calling the all-in with those stack sizes. Any deeper and the decision becomes a bit more difficult.
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08-19-2017 , 06:41 PM
I definitely do see the value in calling the turn to keep the pot small. I have seen though on several occasions where villains will donk the turn for a small amount to try to give themselves a good price on their draw that they just picked up hoping hero will just call.
It's definitely a sick spot with the small turn donk bet. Raising smaller on the turn would only still give villain the right price on a draw, so that's no good.
So, one the turn here, I need to be happy with getting all my money in, if I am going to raise this amount. I don't like that much either because it puts us in such a sick spot.
With all of that, I suppose I do need to just be calling this turn.��
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08-20-2017 , 05:50 PM
Calling turn is ridiculous and results orientated imo, if OP called people would be saying obvs raise turn here vs fish.

I'm raising turn, SPR is well awkward but I think your sizing is fine. Not going to lie, I don't have a clue what villain is taking this line with, not that nobody else does, but given the unorthodox line we can assign enough draws/worse hands they believe is for value in their range here to call. I do agree though, there's no way we can raise/fold here that's the worst of the 3 options here.
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08-20-2017 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ALongmuir
Calling turn is ridiculous and results orientated imo, if OP called people would be saying obvs raise turn here vs fish.
I don't see how it's ridiculous to not want to stack off here versus a villain we know little about. Stacking off is obviously better than raising and folding, but just because villain is probably a fish/bad reg doesn't mean their GII range isn't tight. Against any villain who isn't just giving chips away, it's really hard for us to even be ahead of a continuing range when we raise.

Unless OP's site is just full of terrible fish, I think exercising caution when we could potentially be at a significant range disadvantage is reasonable. Granted, I do think it's kind of close with the limited information available.
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08-20-2017 , 07:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALongmuir
Calling turn is ridiculous and results orientated imo, if OP called people would be saying obvs raise turn here vs fish.

I'm raising turn, SPR is well awkward but I think your sizing is fine. Not going to lie, I don't have a clue what villain is taking this line with, not that nobody else does, but given the unorthodox line we can assign enough draws/worse hands they believe is for value in their range here to call. I do agree though, there's no way we can raise/fold here that's the worst of the 3 options here.
+1

button clicking villains take this line with worse than KK way more often than not. if he tarped us ggwp next hand
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08-20-2017 , 08:44 PM
Perhaps ridiculous is an overstatement, but I still feel if OP calls then he gets slated in the replies for not raising.

I think coming to a conclusion that villain is a likely fish, due to stats combined with the fact they have donked turn with a sizing that doesn't make much sense (can't GII easy OTR with value), and villain is more likely to make calling mistakes than spazzing out, raising is better here. Both of us are shooting in the dark tbh but I feel vs a fishy player in general raising KK here is better.
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08-20-2017 , 11:19 PM
Very hard line from UTG. I put him T9
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08-20-2017 , 11:31 PM
u guys are loloptimistic. i'm not saying it's a fold but thinking we're good more often than we're bad is just wrong without a solid read. 42/26 says he's a donk preflop, it's not a read of how light he'll stack off like this or stack off in general. most donks just flat a raise with pair+draw.
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08-21-2017 , 02:30 AM
U need to go with it after u raise that donk OTT.

I think u should only call turn if u are having hard time when facing a 3bet.
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