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Old 01-03-2011, 07:07 PM   #126
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

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Shove flop
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:17 PM   #127
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

shove turn is mandatory
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:20 PM   #128
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

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shove turn is mandatory
what's your rationale? to get called by spade FD's before the draw bricks?
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:30 PM   #129
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

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i'm pretty convinced you're right tits. It's still really tough to fold tptk to a raise on the dryest of flops where villain reps nothing but sets. On an emotional level it feels ridiculously exploitable. But i guess we shouldn't worry about that because there's no way for villain guess that we are folding TPTK, and he just isn't going to figure it out ever.
Exactly, when it does become an exploitative line by villain we'll notice and should re-adjust. But without history no one is deliberately exploiting you at 10nl.
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Old 01-04-2011, 04:26 AM   #130
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

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what's your rationale? to get called by spade FD's before the draw bricks?
Hmm, when i said madatory i prob said that because I though the turn brought a third spade, but turns out it didn't ...:$
But still we should shove turn for a minraise AI
You should look at it this way: There's no way villian can bet/fold turn, and he HIGH likely isn't. He is more likely to call your turnraise with junk, than the chance the he goes AI OTR for a 1/4psb as a bluff
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Old 01-04-2011, 06:05 AM   #131
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

only played 20 hands with villian at 38/14 3.25.

Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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CO: $4.51
BTN: $2.84
SB: $5.00
Hero (BB): $5.07
UTG: $3.11

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with 6 6
1 fold, CO raises to $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.32) 6 J 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.32, CO calls $0.32, BTN folds

Turn: ($0.96) K (2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, CO calls $0.75

River: ($2.46) T (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.46, Hero ???

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Old 01-04-2011, 06:22 AM   #132
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

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only played 20 hands with villian at 38/14 3.25.

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CO: $4.51
BTN: $2.84
SB: $5.00
Hero (BB): $5.07
UTG: $3.11

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with 6 6
1 fold, CO raises to $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.32) 6 J 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.32, CO calls $0.32, BTN folds

Turn: ($0.96) K (2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, CO calls $0.75

River: ($2.46) T (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.46, Hero ???
make a PSB OTT so that you can shove river AI
WHy do you check ?!
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Old 01-04-2011, 06:42 AM   #133
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

Both unknowns

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UTG: $36.92
MP: $35.67
CO: $26.54
BTN: $32.63
Hero (SB): $27.07
BB: $41.37

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with Q Q
2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.25, 1 fold, CO raises to $7.75, 2 folds
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Old 01-04-2011, 06:45 AM   #134
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

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Both unknowns

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UTG: $36.92
MP: $35.67
CO: $26.54
BTN: $32.63
Hero (SB): $27.07
BB: $41.37

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with Q Q
2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.25, 1 fold, CO raises to $7.75, 2 folds
def not squueze(3bet)/folding QQ vs CO opener 110bb
5bet AI imo and see calls from QQ+, AK (maybe AQs, JJ) and see folds too.
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Old 01-04-2011, 06:49 AM   #135
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

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def not squueze(3bet)/folding QQ vs CO opener 110bb
5bet AI imo and see calls from QQ+, AK (maybe AQs, JJ) and see folds too.
+1, never folding
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:50 AM   #136
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

Thoughts on this?Can i fold?
Villains was 17/11/0 over about 100 hands.


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Hero (BB): $5.77
UTG: $5.43
MP: $5.19
CO: $5.00
BTN: $2.31
SB: $6.03

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with T K
1 fold, MP raises to $0.15, 2 folds, SB calls $0.13, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.45) K 8 6 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, MP raises to $0.60, SB folds, Hero calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.65) K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10

River: ($3.85) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2.20, Hero calls $2.20
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:55 AM   #137
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

dont lead flop, fold to minraise
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Old 01-04-2011, 09:31 AM   #138
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

@RBlagojeviez
I think that JJ hand deserves it's own thread

@ Night crawler:
Prob fold KTs (OOP) against such a tight opponent
don't donkbet flop, but rather c/c
as played: Fold to minraise very quick

Villian plays:
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38/29/1,3 (VPIP/PFR/AF)
fold to cbet 2/4
fold to turn cbet 1/1
over 25 hands

$10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
BB: $10.16
UTG: $9.44
MP: $33.53
CO: $10.78
Hero (BTN): $10.00
SB: $3.50

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 8 A
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 4 8 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.41, BB calls $0.41

Turn: ($1.47) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.12, BB calls $1.12

River: ($3.71) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.76, BB raises to $6.60, Hero folds

Good thin Vbet? Or just check it behind?
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Old 01-04-2011, 11:03 AM   #139
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

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Good thin Vbet? Or just check it behind?
Check behind obviously. Lot of draws/2pair hands got there and you beat nothing.
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Old 01-04-2011, 11:05 AM   #140
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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UTG: $10.73
CO: $10.68
Hero (BTN): $10.21
SB: $10.93
BB: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with J K
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB calls $0.20, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.75) Q A K (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.54, SB calls $0.54, BB folds

Turn: ($1.83) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.04, SB calls $1.04

River: ($3.91) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.23

Too thin betting here? Villain was a super station fish.
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Old 01-04-2011, 12:16 PM   #141
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

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Check behind obviously. Lot of draws/2pair hands got there and you beat nothing.
i have a straight....

@furkae good Vbet OTR
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Old 01-04-2011, 12:30 PM   #142
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

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i have a straight....
Oooops. I think it's fine then.
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Old 01-04-2011, 01:01 PM   #143
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

This was against a 58/24 1.4AF over 150h, who hadn't raised me post flop yet. Is this just a spot to fold and are the bet sizes good otf and ott?

SB ($17.05)
BB ($17.46)
UTG ($16.31)
UTG+1 ($11.65)
Hero ($21.45)
BTN ($31.68)

Dealt to Hero 9 T

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.90, fold, fold, BB calls $0.70, UTG+1 calls $0.70

FLOP ($2.80) 2 T 9

BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.20, Hero raises to $2.20, BB calls $2.20, UTG+1 folds

TURN ($7.40) 2 T 9 K

BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB raises to $10, Hero folds

BB wins $16.53
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Old 01-04-2011, 01:23 PM   #144
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

soke, that's a very difficult laydown but i think you played it correctly and should congratulate yourself on having the self-possession to let it go. flop and turn sizing looks good imo. nh.
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Old 01-04-2011, 03:54 PM   #145
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

vingtsun: 66: Bet river yourself, there is way more value in a bet than a check here. Call as played.
Btw guys, this is a check-up thread, not a "What do I do here?" thread, so you don't need to put spoilers on the line you took.

DWarrior: QQ: I'm not liking it one bit.

Night Crawler: KT: C/c flop.

Waayoo: A8o: I think it is indeed rather thin cause we're just chopping a lot of the time. I'd bet if he won't bluffraise me and would call down with 2 pairs.

furkae: KJo: Definitely too thin. You're targetting Qx only cause you chop all Kx. Villain can definitely c/c a better hand here, and obv, fish like to play more Ax combos than Qx combos.

soke2: T9s: Meh spot. It's probably fine if he's not been active postflop.
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Old 01-04-2011, 04:26 PM   #146
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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CO: $11.95
BTN: $5.42
SB: $10.38
BB: $4.95
UTG: $5.01
Hero (MP): $8.85

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP with K A
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, BTN raises to $0.90, 2 folds Hero ????

I know this occurs a lot and I dont know what the right play is. Im assuming vs a nit fold, vs a fish 4B. But I am readless so what is the corrct play?
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Old 01-04-2011, 04:39 PM   #147
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

^Just shove and hope he snaps with AQ.
Not folding it regardless. You're ahead of a tag's value 3betting range, obv he folds some of this value range to a shove, but flatting OoP puts you in tough spots/chances to get bluffed by AQ or A5o or something.

(You can 4bet to like 28bb too I guess, but my 4bet sizing is usually like 24bb, and if I can't make it that size I just jam)
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Old 01-04-2011, 06:26 PM   #148
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

1. villain is unknown 19/14 over 21 hands.

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $11.41
SB: $10.00
BB: $13.65
UTG: $5.89
Hero (MP): $10.00
CO: $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has J K

fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) T 8 A
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.65, 2 players) 7
BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

River: ($1.65, 2 players) Q
BB checks, Hero bets $1.20, BB raises to $5.00, fold

BB wins $3.78


2. both opponents are touristy/slightly fishy

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $13.44
BB: $19.60
UTG: $7.71
Hero (BTN): $10.04

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has Q K

UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.45, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.20, 2 players) Q J 9
SB bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.20, SB calls $0.80

Turn: ($3.60, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.60, 2 players) A
SB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

SB shows K T (Straight, Ace High) (PreFlop 25%, Flop 91%, Turn 97%)
Hero mucks Q K (One Pair, Queens) (PreFlop 75%, Flop 9%, Turn 3%)
SB wins $3.74

3. villain seems like a TAG over a small hand sample

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $6.45
BTN: $11.67
Hero (SB): $27.67
BB: $8.71
UTG: $10.00
MP: $10.00

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 7 A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, fold, BTN calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.90, 2 players) A 4 6
Hero bets $1.00, BTN raises to $2.90, fold

BTN wins $3.64

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Old 01-04-2011, 09:22 PM   #149
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

RB: H1: I don't think I'm ever b/f there when

1) he can potentially value raise worse
2) he has to c/c turn with a flush draw and then decide to c/r the river a high enough % of the time.

Although, it's not usually a bluffline, I still think we probably have odds to call vs his rivered Qx hands for 2pair... (I'd stove it but I'm too lazy)


H2: I think it looks fine. You might have a case for b/f the turn, but I think it's still marginal&thin.

H3: Really meh spot and read/gameflow dependent depending on villain. I wouldn't usually fold the flop cause I expect people to play turns and rivers face up once we flat.... I guess people aren't bluffing enough at 10NL though, so it's prob fine..
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Old 01-05-2011, 12:46 AM   #150
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Re: ***uNL Quick Checkup Thread***

thanks zomg, your replies are on point as always
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