I have played 13k hands of 10nl so far and I'm losing at a rate of -2.17 bb/100. I know its not a great sample size and I have changed my style after 6k hands. My stats for the first 6k hands were 27/21/9 (3-bet). In the last 7k hands, I've tightened up my game considerably and have been folding preflop and postflop a lot more (running 19/15/6). However, I have not been able to lower my river aggression. I don't know how to not be aggressive on the river because I normally get to the river with strong hands. Any ideas on what I should change? Wouldn't lowering my river aggression make me lose more? Thanks.

Looks fine to me. This is a great board to c bet.
Turn sizing could be a bit bigger but it isn't a big deal.
You still left less than a psb for villain on the river.
If the flop was wetter you should prob be betting more on flop and turn.

You probably want to be putting villain on a range on the turn and river and then deciding if you want to check/call, check/fold, bet/fold or bet/call when your first to act or fold, call, bet or raise when you're ip.
As for specific numbers and stuff try the stats thread.

Villain is a 22/18/4.8 over about 170.
Seems pretty good, no applicable notes.
Mp was a 70/8 or whatever.

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UTG: $29.31
MP: $18.37
CO: $51.54
BTN: $64.33
Hero (SB): $49.29
BB: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with K A
UTG raises to $0.85, MP calls $0.85, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.80) J A 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.75, MP folds, Hero calls $1.75

Turn: ($6.30) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $4.00, Hero calls $4

River: ($14.30) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

I was planning to fold to a 2/3 pot bet or above.
Does anyone play differently.

postflop is std... could c-r flop but it might be a bit thin if villain is decent

Depends on his raise first percentage from early position. I think you widen his range by flatting here preflop. And he could rep a lot of hands on this type of board. Don't see a lot of jacks in his range - only AJ, JJ. Lots of pockets and KQs.

You'll have more succes for Q's about stats here: Official uNL stats thread

I do think it's a good idea to play super-tight when you're starting out and gradually open up your range (especially IP) when you become a better player.
If your river aggr % (what's yours?) is too high, you're probably bluffing too much or valuebetting too thin...

Thanks for the help.

He showed me 54.

I was like "wat?"

I am not able to check my river agg stats as of this moment. I do know in my first 6k hands my non-showdown winnings was very high (due to a lot of turn and river check raises). However, I did make a lot of thin value bets and maybe I did call down a lot of river bets. I have recently cut down on value betting thin and bluff raising rivers - however it has not changed my aggression factor much compared to other stats. Do I still need to be folding more or is it because there is a smaller sample size compared to flop and turn?

It's really hard to comment on any of this without some hands to view cos everything is so, so situation dependent. Someone in the stats thread will be able to tell you if one of your stats is miles away from optimal and suggest why this is and how to fix it but that's all. Also over 13k hands you won't really have been to the river often enough to get the stats to mean much. Post some hands with river decisions and your thoughts while playing the hand and let 2+2 chew the fat. Generally though at micros thin value bets on the river are good and calling down is bad without good reads on villain.

I dont agree with this.

unless you wont be able to redeposit when **** hits the fan, its much better to play a lot of hands IP and be a nit from EP and the blinds. By playing a lot of hands you learn how to play, not by folding them.

Funny hand I played earlier. I got berated in chat by the villain for like 5 minutes afterwards for being terrible.

It's like 2 hands into him sitting down, he's a shortstack douche. Now I know slowplay at the micros is bad but at the time I thought there was more value in check-raising the flop because it's so dry and hard for him to have anything. On the turn, the I just call but it's going in on any river. Normally I'd check-raise there.

It's just awesome it gives me the nutz when he was slowplaying 55, lolbad. Ok line?

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Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $0.70
BTN: $1.74
SB: $1.00
BB: $2.00
UTG: $2.63
Hero (MP): $2.00

Pre Flop: ($0.05) Hero has A Q

fold, Hero raises to $0.09, CO calls $0.07, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.21, 2 players) 2 5 Q
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.21, 2 players) A
Hero checks, CO bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12

River: ($0.45, 2 players) A
Hero bets $0.30, CO raises to $0.49 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.19

just bet the flop

6max nl4

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is CO with J K
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.14, 1 fold, SB calls $0.12, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.32) 4 Q K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.26, SB calls $0.26

With KQ, AK etc, i will bet POT here and try to win it directly.

Turn: ($0.84) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Should have bet here, maybe bet here about 2/3, if he raise, dont know what to do...

River: ($0.84) 2 (2 players)
SB bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

I call it.

Interesting point. I suppose I'm experimenting with how much my winrate changes by tightening up oop and folding more than before. I think if I was playing fewer tables, I can play a wide range from the co and button. I'm currently 6-tabling and I feel it is +ev for me to tighten up a lot - i.e. lower my vpip considerably from mp and blinds.

primone: assuming you're 100bb deep bet the turn for 70c and fold to a raise. Bet/folding everywhere is a pretty solid default line to play TPGK, deviate from this when you have reason to.

Also wanting them to fold the flop when you have top pair is not a healthy mindset if you want to win money, you want them to call. It's ok to bet and then fold to a raise. As played I'd fold river in a vacuum.

Bet flop.
If you check flop, you really should lead turn.
If you check/call turn, you should c/r river.

Not huge a deal at 2NL. But if you decide that you wanna move up where people can hand read, you should be aware of what your own range looks like when you take certain lines, and what their range is like.

Taking lines like c/c turn, donklead river doesn't make sense with a lot of your range given his range.

Bet flop, bet turn.
You're betting for value, not betting to take the pot down.

i raised riv for valu3. my friend sweating me wasnt so sure.
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($28.78)
BB ($25)
Hero ($27.66)
CO ($24.62)
BTN ($25)

Dealt to Hero A K

Hero raises to $0.75, fold, fold, SB calls $0.65, fold

FLOP ($1.75) T T 7

SB checks, Hero checks

TURN ($1.75) T T 7 9

SB checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($1.75) T T 7 9 A

SB bets $1.25, Hero raises to $3.25, SB folds

Hero shows A K

Hero wins $4.05
just a double check

^Bet flop.
River raise is okay, I'd go like $3.75-$4

Ty! But lets say i have a flushdraw on this flop, do i want to bet pot then, i want them to fold then and also with a straightdraw. My pairs i bet for value and keep doin.

Why fold on river? You count our combos or? Iam new to NL, try to transfer from limit where i played 1 dollar but this is totaly new for me, but i guess in NL this is a fold, if i hit 2 pairs on river i call.

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CO: $52.00
BTN: $128.85
Hero (SB): $77.60
BB: $40.00
UTG: $80.50
MP: $61.80

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with K K
UTG raises to $1, 2 folds, BTN calls $1, Hero raises to $5.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $4.50, BTN calls $4.50

Flop: ($17.00) T Q 5 (3 players)
Hero bets $9.75, UTG folds, BTN calls $9.75

Turn: ($36.50) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($36.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $21.50



BTN is a regfish 34/19/1.6 but is somewhat positionally aware (242 hands).

Prob should be betting flop more, but on the turn, is a check/evaluate okay? I'd probably call up to a halfpot bet, but if he bet anything over like 75% pot I would've folded. I just don't see a lot of worse hands calling another bet (AQ and KQ but there aren't too many combos left with card removal), so I didn't think betting would do anything seeing as I have drawing equity myself that I wouldn't want to be taken off of if should villain shove. I also don't give credit to villain for turning any of his made hands into a bluff, so if he bets I would imagine it's with hands he feels are best.

When he checks behind, he obviously has a SDV hand, good bet sizing on river? Main question is whether turn is b/f or c/evaluate (tending towards c/c all but the biggest of bets) though.

thx

Appreciate the help, thanks.

How do you like my line? CO is a semi aggresive fish 44/17/17%3b. BU is a nitty tag reg who i suspect was trying to isolate the fish. so i decide to call keep fish in. I also like to donk this board as if i c/r i feel the fish will fold alot of the time and i wont make much money off the reg.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
Hero ($12.68)
BB ($10)
UTG ($21.24)
CO ($6.79)
BTN ($10)

Dealt to Hero K K

fold, CO raises to $0.40, BTN raises to $1.10, Hero calls $1.05, fold, CO calls $0.70

FLOP ($3.40) Q 6 6

Hero bets $1.90, CO raises to $5.69 (AI), BTN folds, Hero calls $3.79

TURN ($14.78) Q 6 6 4

RIVER ($14.78) Q 6 6 4 5

CO shows Q 4
(Pre 16%, Flop 8.7%, Turn 9.1%)

Hero shows K K
(Pre 84%, Flop 91.3%, Turn 90.9%)

Hero wins $13.80

very well played with your reads, it's always nice to see people not go 4b-crazy with their premiums everytime without considering the types of players in the pot.

Donking is 100% the best play when you take this line, to abuse your relative position vs. the fish. Probably could donk a little more to comfortably a setup a turn shove if fish folds and BTN calls, but it's a minor detail.

loldonk: I think that even though the turn bet is somewhat thin, you're missing out on an opportunity to build a pot for a river shove by checking turn especially vs a reg fish who will call off with KQ/AQ. Plus if you check turn and decide to check/call, then he gains control of the pot and can just check behind worse hands on river and own our souls when he has us beat.