topcat: Shove turn

Eight fold path to poker enlightenment.

Looks like your problems are:

Tilt
Hand Reading
Note Taking
Knowing when to Cbet
Knowing when to barrel
Tilt

We all get into that crappy mindset( I am SUUUUPER guilty of it) when you start saying "Shocker, he hit his 2 pair on the river" and stuff like "AWESOME. I have AK and the board inevitably comes 678 mono"

Thats when its time to stop and realize that this game is beatable. You just aren't doing it right. Maybe its variance but in my case its a lot more to do with tilt.

Yeah I knew I should of, I suck.

yep. tilt mostly. the funny thing is, i can do great for a month or even more, playing every day... but then the dark days come. and it's gone, it's all gone.

also, im too old for this schitt. its like foreign languages, you just cant learn them the way you could when u were 14.

villain here is 28/22/2....tell me how did i do...??

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CO: $15.08
BTN: $10.10
SB: $11.50
BB: $10.00
Hero (UTG): $8.12
MP: $15.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with A K
Hero raises to $0.35, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.35, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.85) Q 7 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.55, BTN calls $0.55

Turn: ($1.95) K (2 players)
Hero bets $0.85, BTN calls $0.85

River: ($3.65) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

thanks in advance....

Bet turn bigger, I think I'd go for $1.50. River c/f looks fine.

Villain is 16/13/2.4 over ~600 hands, probably very standard. no dynamic between us.

Thinking my 3bet on flop with intention of stacking off is too loose now. Not sure how to interpret the really small c/r, and it threw me off because the onl hand I'd expect to use this sizing would be AQ, because every other made hand or combo draw would be sizing much larger right? Can we just flat the c/r and call down on safe turns and rivers?

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BB: $20.00
UTG: $74.30
Hero (MP): $63.55
CO: $20.00
BTN: $48.55
SB: $125.30

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with J K
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, SB calls $1.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($4.00) K J T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $7.75, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $24.50, SB raises to $123.55 all in, Hero calls $37.30 all in

Turn: ($127.60) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($127.60) Q (2 players - 2 are all in)


didn't include a lot of weaker broadways or Q9s because I don't think they're in his calling range seeing as he's so tight. so 3bet flop is bad against his overall range?

Board: Kd Js Td
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 29.925% 27.14% 02.79% 6717 689.50 { KcJc }
Hand 1: 70.075% 67.29% 02.79% 16654 689.50 { TT, AQs, AdJd, KJs-KTs, QdJd, JTs, AQo }

Not sure about this comment, I added some 2p2ers on Skype and do sweats with one guy pretty regularly. He actually makes me play real bad, coupled with the fact that he's a complete ass hat that tilts the **** out of me it makes for a pretty -ev experience...

Hello,
This is actually my first post here at two plus two. I've decided to ask more questions on the forum to help improve my game because I've been stuck in these stakes for quite a while.

Was I right to try to get it all in here? I felt that 13 outs was enough to try to get it all in. No reads on the villain because I just started my session. I thought that he might have been holding a king. I feel like I played it okay, but the villain said it was a donk play, so now I'm here on the forums.

Thanks for your input.


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UTG: $14.76
CO: $11.03
Hero (BTN): $10.00
SB: $13.46
BB: $10.11

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with J T
1 fold, CO raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) K 9 3 (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.70, BB folds, CO raises to $1.40, Hero raises to $4, CO raises to $6.60, Hero raises to $9.70 all in, CO calls $3.10

Turn: ($20.35) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($20.35) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Button is a 14/14 reg over 18 hands or so
SB is 33/7 or so, I previously stacked him by b/b/shoving 4/5 pot each street with AA on a drawy board with him calling down with fifth pair by the river.

Full Tilt - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $24.30
BTN: $25.50
SB: $15.27
Hero (BB): $41.94

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has Q Q

fold, BTN raises to $0.75, SB calls $0.65, Hero raises to $3.50, BTN calls $2.75, SB calls $2.75

Flop: ($10.50, 3 players) 2 6 T
SB checks, Hero bets $4.50, BTN raises to $12.00, fold, Hero raises to $38.44 and is all-in, BTN calls $10.00 and is all-in

Questions:
1. Flop bet size good?
2. is stacking on the flop here fine? I expect him to be raising me with overpairs (though I don't know why he's raising with SB still in the pot), and against range im pot commited.

We have tons of equity but when villain min c/rs here with so many people in the pot im sure he has a pretty big hand.

Generally when we are getting direct odds to draw to a hand then we shud just call as we dont need the FE to make it a profitable call. So id just call the flop and go from there. Hes still gonna get it in with worse when we bonk our flush/str8.

This is directed at mehehezi btw.

merehzezi, Calling the flop is prob a lot better.

whilst this is definitely true also be aware that getting in on the flop can never be considered bad when you have this much equity.

ahh that does make sense. thanks a bunch

merehzezi: TJs: Getting it in on flop is *fine* but calling is going to be more +ev. You won't have much fold equity, but huge implied odds cause no one folds. And we have position.

Rob filter: QQ: Meh spot, getting it in here I guess. Would prefer this to be a two toned board though.

I consider it bad to give up these implied odds when someone takes a generally really strong line and then getting it in as a slight underdog. Its not -ev, but hardly +ev and the difference is big enough that I consider it bad.

1. unknown fish playing 80/0 over 5 hands

Merge - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $31.85
SB: $23.08
BB: $32.66
Hero (UTG): $25.00
CO: $4.09

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has K K

Hero raises to $0.85, CO calls $0.85, fold, SB calls $0.75, fold

Flop: ($2.80, 3 players) 4 3 Q
SB bets $0.25, Hero raises to $1.90, fold, SB calls $1.65

Turn: ($6.60, 2 players) 6
SB bets $0.69, Hero raises to $4.68, SB calls $3.99

River: ($15.96, 2 players) 7
SB bets $0.25, Hero raises to $8.48, SB calls $8.23




2. He shows up in the hand above with Q6. Then this second hand is against the same fish, four hands later, now running 70/0 --is my overcard + gutshot enough to justify cbetting this gross flop? I check back the turn intending to take my hand to showdown but hit trips on the river...

Merge - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $31.85
SB: $31.75
BB: $42.43
Hero (UTG): $27.75

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has K J

Hero raises to $0.85, fold, SB calls $0.75, fold

Flop: ($1.95, 2 players) Q 5 9
SB checks, Hero bets $1.30, SB calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.55, 2 players) J
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($4.55, 2 players) J
SB bets $2.72, Hero raises to $8.16, SB calls $5.44




3. Unknown TAG

Merge - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $34.90
SB: $44.32
BB: $30.71
Hero (UTG): $29.25

BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero has A K

SB calls $0.25, fold, Hero raises to $0.81, BB raises to $2.68, fold, Hero calls $1.87

Flop: ($5.61, 2 players) Q 4 9
BB checks, Hero bets $2.80, BB calls $2.80

Turn: ($11.21, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero bets $7.47, BB calls $7.47

River: ($26.15, 2 players) 3
BB checks

hero gives up i guess?

h1 sizing sucks (flop, turn)
h2 CB flop, as played bet turn ldo
h3 stupid spot against unknown... wouldn't mind CB flop though. 4b pre is obv std as well.
as played i don't think i could help myself and i'd just jam it (and get a call from QT or something similar lol)

^^^
hand 1 i should make it bigger on the flop and turn? just less than pot, or what size do you like?
hand 2 you think i can go for 3 streets of value with second pair second kicker?
hand 3 i have to admit that i ended up shoving and was snapped by AA

h1 your goal should be to get the stacks in, can't do it now without overbetting
h2 didn't say that, there is just more value in betting turn than in betting river
h3 i don't hate your play and if i bet flop there it's probably with the intention of barreling

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($56.94)
BB ($78.98)
UTG ($48.85)
UTG+1 ($92.70)
Hero ($45)
BTN ($19.50)

Dealt to Hero 4 5

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, fold, fold

FLOP ($1.85) 6 7 8

Hero bets $1, BTN calls $1

TURN ($3.85) 6 7 8 3

Hero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50

RIVER ($8.85) 6 7 8 3 7

Hero bets $4.75, BTN raises to $15.25 (AI), Hero folds

BTN wins $17.44

BTN is 19/0/1.5 over 21 hands

i know i should have bet the flop bigger and probably the turn, but as played do we have to fold river? its played so much like a set

looks like a nh wp.

standard stack off or what street do we fold this?

villain nitty reg; 17/14; afq 44%; fcbet: 63% (8); c/r otf 14% (14); WTSD 19% (47), W$SD 67% (9); hands: 487

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NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
SB ($9.41)
BB ($10.15)
UTG ($10.30)
Hero ($10.51)
CO ($9.70)
BTN ($10.75)

Dealt to Hero 5 5

fold, Hero raises to $0.35, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.25

FLOP ($0.75) 8 9 5

BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1

TURN ($3.75) 8 9 5 3

BB bets $2.80, Hero calls $2.80

RIVER ($9.35) 8 9 5 3 T

BB bets $5.35, Hero raises to $5.86 (AI), BB calls $0.15 (AI)

BB shows 9 9
(Pre 81%, Flop 94.8%, Turn 97.7%)

Hero shows 5 5
(Pre 19%, Flop 5.2%, Turn 2.3%)

BB wins $19

it's one of those when u can 'smell' a set but refused to fold, cuz that's just too results orientated. but do we really fold a hand like this?

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Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $5.49
Hero (BB): $2.00
UTG: $2.72
CO: $5.40
BTN: $2.09

SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has Q A

fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.18, SB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.36, 2 players) 3 K A
SB checks, Hero bets $0.18, SB calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.72, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero bets $0.32, SB calls $0.32

River: ($1.36, 2 players) Q
SB bets $1.36, Hero calls $1.32 and is all-in

Standard???

i think that's fairly standard, TopCat123, yes, i wouldn't fold it either.