don't think you can fold JJ here when none of his bluff OTF get there OTT. also I would prefer to call this over KK/AA on the off chance he spazzes with A8/A6 here ever.

Three big pots where I was unsure. Anyone playing them differently, or did I do ok?

Hand 1:
Hand 2:
Hand 3 (assuming here that I have a 4bet bluff range, and that K8s is in it..):

First post
I try some of the hands above, in order of appearance:

@JJ (Birchill): Would not squeeze vs a nitty UTG and an unknown OOP w JJ. I'd call and try to keep the pot small unless I catch a set on a dryish board. However, on that particular board a 1/2 pot turn bet as semi-bluff/info bet may work. They showed no aggression so it's likely they don't like the draws too much, so they may well fold. If someone raises big we can give up easily, if we get smth like a minraise and a call we have great (implied) odds to draw to our full house and if we get a call we can still make the full house or win vs QJ, J9 or fishy 98/AQ/AJ.
As played: I think QQ, 98, AQ, 88, 99, and Flushes would bet at some point so should be rare. We loose to TT, AT and T9 which are all quite possible. We win vs reasonable QJ, J9 and the mentioned fishy combos.
So bet/call is too thin, especially 3-way, but check/call should work vs aggro/bluffy villians.

@AQ (Fuccboi): We only have two overs with two backdoor draws, on a very drawy board. The only turn cards we like are and black A, Q. Would just fold flop most of the time. Would only continue if I think Villian rather donks his made hands and is likely to fold to a bet OTT when draws complete.

@97 (Purloin): Looks fine to me.

@KK (Purloin): Imo, after the river check he's either on Jx, busted draws or trying to induce with trips. Jx will often fold to a third barrel, so no value to be gained, thus checking behind should be standard. Would only bet the river vs fishy stations.

@Purloin:
1) Would not squeeze vs a nitty UTG and an tight caller OOP w JJ. I'd call and try to keep the pot small unless I catch a set on a dryish board.
2) Looks good to me.
3) Imo preflop is spew vs an unknown. Postflop looks fine.

Finished down 550bb last nights sesh. How much of this was avoidable:

PokerStars - $0.02 Ante $0.01 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

MP: 109 BB (VPIP: 31.78, PFR: 22.43, 3Bet Preflop: 11.63, Hands: 109)
CO: 84.5 BB (VPIP: 44.70, PFR: 30.88, 3Bet Preflop: 1.23, Hands: 227)
BTN: 210 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 20)
Hero (SB): 234 BB
BB: 86 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 17.95, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 39)
UTG: 59 BB (VPIP: 47.06, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 34)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, 6 players post ante of 0.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 4.5 BB) Hero has Qc Qd
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 5 BB, Hero raises to 19 BB, fold, BTN raises to 61 BB, Hero calls 42 BB

Flop : (126 BB, 2 players) 9s 2s 7h
Hero checks, BTN bets 81 BB, Hero raises to 172.5 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 67.5 BB and is all-in

Turn : (423 BB, 2 players) 7s

River : (423 BB, 2 players) 9d

Hero shows Qc Qd (Two Pair, Queens and Nines)
(Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)

BTN shows Ac As (Two Pair, Aces and Nines)
(Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)

BTN wins 408 BB

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Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.03, PFR: 11.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 60)
SB: 69.5 BB (VPIP: 55.38, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 67)
Hero (BB): 112.5 BB
UTG: 117.5 BB (VPIP: 16.89, PFR: 12.55, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 535)
CO: 105.5 BB (VPIP: 24.14, PFR: 16.55, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 147)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4c 4s
fold, CO raises to 3.5 BB, fold, SB calls 3 BB, Hero calls 2.5 BB

Flop : (10.5 BB, 3 players) 4d 3h Th
SB bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB, CO raises to 19 BB, SB calls 14 BB, Hero raises to 52.5 BB, CO raises to 102 BB and is all-in, SB calls 47 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 49.5 BB

Turn : (280.5 BB, 3 players) Ac

River : (280.5 BB, 3 players) Ks

Hero shows 4c 4s (Three of a Kind, Fours)

Main Pot [208.5 BB]: (Pre 19%, Flop 5%, Turn 2%)
Side Pot [72 BB]: (Pre 21%, Flop 5%, Turn 2%)

CO shows Td Tc (Three of a Kind, Tens)

Main Pot [208.5 BB]: (Pre 48%, Flop 95%, Turn 98%)
Side Pot [72 BB]: (Pre 79%, Flop 95%, Turn 98%)

SB shows Ts Qs (One Pair, Tens)

Main Pot [208.5 BB]: (Pre 33%, Flop 0.3%, Turn 0%)

CO wins 270.5 BB


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Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

UTG: 113 BB (VPIP: 18.49, PFR: 10.92, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 121)
CO: 93 BB (VPIP: 60.64, PFR: 20.21, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 97)
Hero (BTN): 94.5 BB
SB: 22.5 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ah Qs
fold, CO raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 7 BB

Flop : (19.5 BB, 2 players) 6c Jh As
CO checks, Hero bets 13 BB, CO calls 13 BB

Turn : (45.5 BB, 2 players) 8d
CO checks, Hero bets 25 BB, CO calls 25 BB

River : (95.5 BB, 2 players) 8c
CO checks, Hero bets 47.5 BB and is all-in, CO calls 46 BB and is all-in

Hero shows Ah Qs (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
(Pre 45%, Flop 4%, Turn 0%)

CO shows 6s 6d (Full House, Sixes full of Eights)
(Pre 55%, Flop 96%, Turn 100%)

CO wins 181 BB

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Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

SB: 103.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 23.33, 3Bet Preflop: 13.89, Hands: 92)
BB: 90.5 BB (VPIP: 25.57, PFR: 2.84, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 182)
Hero (CO): 99.5 BB
BTN: 112.5 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Js Jd
Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 90.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 87.5 BB

Flop : (181.5 BB, 2 players) 9h 2c Kd

Turn : (181.5 BB, 2 players) Ah

River : (181.5 BB, 2 players) 2d

BB shows As Ad (Full House, Aces full of Twos)
(Pre 82%, Flop 90%, Turn 100%)

Hero shows Js Jd (Two Pair, Jacks and Twos)
(Pre 18%, Flop 10%, Turn 0%)

BB wins 175 BB


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Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

CO: 70 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 31.25, 3Bet Preflop: 19.05, Hands: 32)
Hero (BTN): 114 BB
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.12, PFR: 17.41, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 227)
BB: 112.5 BB (VPIP: 39.33, PFR: 31.46, 3Bet Preflop: 10.81, Hands: 90)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP: 139 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 22.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ah Ac
UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, CO raises to 7 BB, Hero raises to 30 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 53 BB, Hero raises to 114 BB and is all-in, CO calls 17 BB and is all-in

Flop : (144.5 BB, 2 players) 4s Qh 3d

Turn : (144.5 BB, 2 players) Kc

River : (144.5 BB, 2 players) Tc

CO shows Qc 3h (Two Pair, Queens and Threes)
(Pre 11%, Flop 73%, Turn 82%)

Hero shows Ah Ac (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 89%, Flop 27%, Turn 18%)

CO wins 139.5 BB

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SB: 33 BB (VPIP: 76.92, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
Hero (BB): 124 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB, 2 players post ante of 0.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has Qc Qd
SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2 BB

Flop : (7 BB, 2 players) 2d 6h 3c
Hero bets 5 BB, SB calls 5 BB

Turn : (17 BB, 2 players) 3d
Hero bets 12 BB, SB calls 12 BB

River : (41 BB, 2 players) Ah
Hero bets 39.5 BB, SB calls 12.5 BB and is all-in

Hero shows Qc Qd (Two Pair, Queens and Threes)
(Pre 83%, Flop 81%, Turn 5%)

SB shows 8s 3s (Three of a Kind, Threes)
(Pre 17%, Flop 19%, Turn 95%)

SB wins 63.5 BB

h1 gii pre

h2 either raise original cbet flop or call raise, don't backraise

h3 meh, prob can't go 3 streets so i check turn or river

h4 lol, but it's fine imo

ignoring h5

h6 set up river better but wp

please only post 1 or 2 hands in the future, no one but me will respond when you post 6 hands at a time

@mrfunnywobbly:
QQ) Think I would fold this to his preflop 4-bet. Villian is almost unknown and we are over 200BB deep
44) Don't think we can fold here, escpecially with the extra chips from the fish.
AQ) Check behind river. You only beat random Ax which probably don't call river, you are beat by AK, AJ, A8, A6, 66, JJ, all quite possible.
JJ) Calling 3-Bet shove w JJ vs a Villian with PFR=2.84 is just horrible, sry.
AA) Preflop allin w AA cannot be bad.
QQ) Getting it in vs shortstack fish w QQ looks good to me.

Ok thanks guys!

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Poker Thoughts

When you're waiting to make a decision with a hand on 1 table and you notice that hand would have smashed the flop on 2 other tables you currently have open, you should fold - the likelihood of 3 favorable flops to your 1 hand is infinity to 1 against.

Superstition is -EV

almost as -ev as an inability to detect sarcasm?

Quick line check:

Pre: Tempted to 3bet to keep the blinds out, but UTG looks nitty when raising and I'd rather see a flop first
F: Should this have been a check? At the time I thought this was a standard value bet, but messing around with PokerStove suggests my equity here's probably close to ~50% given villain ranges
T: Definitely a check?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 103.5 BB (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 4.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 144)
CO: 50.5 BB (VPIP: 53.57, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
Hero (BTN): 148.5 BB
SB: 105.5 BB (VPIP: 30.20, PFR: 18.79, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 151)
BB: 110 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
UTG: 68 BB (VPIP: 85.19, PFR: 3.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
UTG+1: 129 BB (VPIP: 40.74, PFR: 37.04, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 27)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q A

UTG raises to 2 BB, UTG+1 calls 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7.5 BB, 3 players) 8 9 A
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 5 BB, UTG calls 5 BB, UTG+1 calls 5 BB

Turn: (22.5 BB, 3 players) K
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

River: (22.5 BB, 3 players) 3
UTG bets 1 BB, UTG+1 raises to 24.5 BB, fold, UTG calls 23.5 BB

I understand your preflop thinking but I wouldn't come to the conclusion UTG rsises only the best hands with such a small sample size. So, squeeze the sh*t out of these loose fish. Flat could be fine if it was suited which gives you better playability.

As played, flop is good, but turn is a clear value bet - you're against two loose players, presumably bad players, you have top pair second kicker and there are a lot of possible draws.

AP, not sure about the river. If utg+1 is as aggressive post as pre, I'm calling. Spades miss, broadways miss, heck he can even turn a hand like T9 into a bluff.


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Dude, it's 2017. The message that sarcasm doesn't communicate well with text should have gotten around by now... besides, it's the micro forum, so I'm pretty sure my call on you being serious was way +EV


@AQ (birchill)
85/3.7 fish, minraise. Would smell like AA if we had more hands on him.
As it is, preflop is fine since fold equity should be close to zero pre and post. Better see a cheap flop and charge them when you hit.
Flop is fine, then bet turn and hope for a brick river.

Should I move from full ring to 6-max?
I currently play full ring because my main focus is live games cash & tournament and those are almost exclusively full ring.

The FR forum is a bit dead.
There seem to be a lot more people playing 6-max, so can I assume the field is softer?

Is 6-max harder than FR?
Any big changes that I would have to make, I know I should loosen up some compared to FR, anything else that's really important?

take this with a grain of salt but I think the FR players are generally worse than 6max. most regs prefer 6max, for obvious reasons...more hands/hr, plus the first 3 positions are really just no fun to play

in general I think FR is easier, I think there are more limped pots, plus the early positions are generally pretty easy since your range has to be so tight.

No need to decide between FR and 6-max, 6-max is just FR - 3 seats after all. Play both and pick the softest tables.

Getting to play more hands doesn't really make sense though.
You can just add more tables if you play FR.
Yes, you'll be playing less hands per table, but the total amount of hands you play will be the same.

If the general FR player is worse, why would anyone want to play 6 max?
I actually prefer playing against bad players ...

The reason I'm thinking of switching is because 6 max is harder to play, so the average player should be making more mistakes than the average FR player.

You're also able to target bad players more easily, since there's only 4 other people trying to get their money instead of 7.

And probably, the most important reason, the 6 max community is a LOT more active than the FR.
After having an extensive look around the staking forums, most stakings are focused on 6 max too.

Think I'm gonne finish my 50k hands at FR.
Then try 50k hands at 6 max.
Repeat for ZOOM.
Then I'll see which game I like most I guess!?

Played this hand a couple weeks ago pretty conservatively given 40BB eff and a tight CO 3b range vs my UTG open, JJ+, AK, maybe tighter than that. Too tight or well played?

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 108.6 BB (VPIP: 19.75, PFR: 15.92, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 160)
BTN: 129 BB (VPIP: 20.29, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 70)
SB: 40 BB (VPIP: 29.18, PFR: 11.45, 3Bet Preflop: 4.79, Hands: 830)
BB: 33.6 BB (VPIP: 18.27, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 13.16, Hands: 108)
Hero (UTG): 125.6 BB
MP: 136.4 BB (VPIP: 25.37, PFR: 21.72, 3Bet Preflop: 11.79, Hands: 624)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T T

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, CO raises to 9 BB, fold, SB calls 8.6 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (22 BB, 2 players) 4 3 Q
SB checks, CO bets 11 BB, fold

This have been trubbeling me, watched the re-play so many times...

Vilian is: 27/21/(3-bet: 15)



This might be very standard but I am not sure if I think right here...

When he 3-bets me is it better to 4-bet then to call? If I call is it fit or fold? Most of the time I won´t hit so maybe I have to go back preflop and there decide what I want to do, fold, raise or call with the intention to be aggressive on his c-bet?

Or did I simply play this one out ok?

Do you just call the river or shove it in?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 118 BB (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 13)
SB: 37.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 3)
BB: 126 BB (VPIP: 6.67, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
UTG: 166.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: 106 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 14)
Hero (CO): 722 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q A

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 6 T T
MP checks, Hero bets 6.5 BB, MP calls 6.5 BB

Turn: (32.5 BB, 2 players) A
MP checks, Hero bets 22 BB, MP calls 22 BB

River: (76.5 BB, 2 players) 9
MP bets 5 BB, Hero raises to 89 BB, MP calls 63.5 BB and is all-in

@pokernewbie calling AK pre is fine. though don't be afraid to 4bet just because you're 140 deep. I don't know how these stakes play. depends how villains react to 4bets at these stakes. calling will never be a big mistake though.
I would call turn more often than not. beating all his bluffs ,blocking AA/KK/AQ/KQ, and having cards to improve vs most his range. he also only half pots it. you could bluff heart rivers too if you wished

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@immortalCultivator I like the idea. you block a lot of his flushes and he probably does check raise Tx earlier in the hand. it's still way too thin though. All ace Jack combos fold the flop,so there's really nothing that could pay you.
Infact it's so thin that it actually looks like you're turning your hand into a bluff

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FR has half the variance of 6 max, if you sit on the left of a big fish you will be making easy money. Fish are also quicker to identify in FR and you will have a greater range advantage playing versus them since they will be calling your early/mid position opens with garbage. Blind play is somewhat less important in FR, meaning you will lose less money if your blind game isn't super strong.

@pokernewbie in addition to above, at these stakes I generally find that small suck bets on the river are often a sign of real strength; for that reason plus what garyk said above I'm only calling river ap.

I think your sizing on earlier streets is off. Pre I prefer to call - weaker players will often pay you off with worse Ax and I want to keep those in v's range. Flop is a fairly clear check back imo.

Is my thought process here a leak? I'm thinking:

1) I should be bluffcatching here a non-zero percentage of the time
2) Sets are at the tip top of my bluffcatching range
3) Therefore if I fold sets here I'm bluffcatching 0%, and that can't be a good strategy
4) So I must suck it up and call here with sets

Thanks in advance!