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Turning bottom pair into a bluff Turning bottom pair into a bluff

07-27-2017 , 04:57 PM
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 236 BB
CO: 159.5 BB
BTN: 245 BB
SB: 100 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 6

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) 6 8 T
Hero checks, UTG bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Turn: (15 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, UTG bets 9 BB, Hero raises to 30 BB, UTG calls 21 BB

River: (75 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero bets 63 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 71.5 BB

1 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.

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So obviously the interesting parts of this hand are the turn & river...everything up to that point seems pretty standard.

When Villain bets turn, I think 76 is too weak to continue. Agree or disagree? From my perspective it seems like we can have 8x, Tx, 97, hell even 77 or better 6x. So considering that, I don't think we can call turn with this hand.

At the same time, I think the 8 on the turn is much better for our range than his. We can have lots of 8x that calls pre and calls turn, while Villain shouldn't have any 8x. This makes me like a check/raise bluff in this spot sometimes.

So given that 76 is too weak to continue, it actually seems like one the best possible bluff candidates. In this spot, I think Villain can have Tx, TT, 88, 66, or 97. We block two of his most nutted hands, 97 and 66, and we also have some outs with a gutshot.

Since I think Villain's range is mostly top pair, our hand isn't good enough to call, and it makes for a good bluff...I decided to go for it.

When Villain calls, I don't see too much choice but to barrel off. He shouldn't have 8x here, and as I said we block his two of his most nutted hands. We can rep some strong 8x as well as some slowplayed flopped monsters. I think he's folding his Tx, and a 6 is never good here. So I go ahead and ship it and Villain thinks for a bit before finding a fold.

So what do you guys think? Was the turn a good x/r bluff spot? Was my hand selection good? When I get called should I be shoving river?

Let me know what you think about my thought process. Thanks!
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07-27-2017 , 07:51 PM
When constructing ranges recursively when your other ranges are loosely constructed don't neglect your folding range. GTO imitations almost always fold some hands so you need to know whats already there before you start hand selection.

I think this way of thinking is fine, probably good. It is one of the best ways to play at the tables if you're lost. If you have the time, computer analysis is just better. As far as I know Polk is the best and vocal about it it so I would emulate him if you're style is mainly GTO imitation.

One problem is the range distribution, often he wont go into what percentage of his range he wants to take a line with. Just because you have a lot of ranges doesn't mean they're well constructed. For example, you might want a wide calling range to keep SPR high when you're in position to maximize your positional advantage. The size and composition of your ranges should be flexible, similar to bet sizing. Otherwise you're only limiting your options.

Everything you said was logical/reasonable, although you could think deeper. For instance, 77/A6 beats 7h6h, but that doesn't mean it is a stronger hand. In terms of relative hand strength they are basically identical (unless UTG opens A6-76, and even then there isn't an incredible amount of difference), while 7h6h probably has more equity vs. villain's perceived range. Generally, weak made hands + draws preform better than slightly better weak made hands.
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07-28-2017 , 06:13 AM
Hand is really well played imo, great sizing + bluff selection. 76s also has the added benefit of blocking possible sets than 77 here too. It's also more important to look at suits here e.g. 77cd is an awful bluff since we block no 87s that villain may play this way or any full houses too. This is similar to 76dd, but we do block FHs with this combo so should be higher up in our bluff selection.
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07-28-2017 , 09:13 AM
I wouldn't make a habit of running bluffs on the WPN sites. I've been stung quite a number of times playing on BCP with the same style as I play on other sites. The line is believable. The call PF is too loose imo.
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07-28-2017 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Alci
I wouldn't make a habit of running bluffs on the WPN sites. I've been stung quite a number of times playing on BCP with the same style as I play on other sites. The line is believable. The call PF is too loose imo.
Defending 76s pre is too loose?
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07-29-2017 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mrfunnywobbl
Defending 76s pre is too loose?
UTG vs BB yes. I'd even be less inclined to do it on WPN.
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