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09-13-2017 , 08:13 PM

dusk2dawn

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Ok, so I don't know anything about either player involved with me in this hand. Great, I know.

Anyway, 25NL. All 3 of us have about ~$28 stacks.

I am in BB with Q9cc.

CO raises to .75

SB calls.

I call from BB.

Flop comes KJT rainbow, with one club.

SB checks.

I lead out $1.25 into $2.25 pot.

CO raises to $3

SB shoves $27 total. Yes, all-in.

Hero????????

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09-13-2017 , 10:42 PM

Mohsen

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AQ is could very well be in SB flat range here.
Co can have AQ as well.
But there are sett combos here as well as 2 pairs. I don't see a 2pair to rip it in SB here tho...
You ler out to induce action somehow. Well, you did it.
It's very hard to give that huge amount of respect to unknown and fold second nuts to them. But I think here you have to assume a SB X/jam 3 ways is strong. Not to mention Co is still in the hand with an uncapped range..

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09-14-2017 , 12:11 PM

JamesBJames

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check flop

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09-14-2017 , 05:07 PM

dusk2dawn

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Originally Posted by Mohsen

AQ is could very well be in SB flat range here.
Co can have AQ as well.
But there are sett combos here as well as 2 pairs. I don't see a 2pair to rip it in SB here tho...
You ler out to induce action somehow. Well, you did it.
It's very hard to give that huge amount of respect to unknown and fold second nuts to them. But I think here you have to assume a SB X/jam 3 ways is strong. Not to mention Co is still in the hand with an uncapped range..

Thanks for your reply.

Ok so obviously he is strong. But doesn't $24 over shove look more like a set/2pair, hell, even AK if he's fish....?

And as checking flop instead of my bet.....let's pretend I did.... Then let's assume CO c-bets and other guy re-raises. Hero?

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09-17-2017 , 03:52 AM

dusk2dawn

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Ok bump for hopefully someone replying to my hypothetical.

And also, they both had AQ. I am curious what yall think of SB's shove......if he wants max value, shouldn't he just raise? Like AQ is the last hand I thought he would turn over. Or did he dog me in that regard with the reverse psychology?

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09-17-2017 , 06:00 AM

cHiLiTiLT

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Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 43

Sounds to me like a completely unbalanced shove (always value, never bluff), you're hoping to be up against a set at best! He never does this with KJ, since CO can so easily have AQ or any set. If you think about it, his thinking process is going to be similar with TT/JJ - same fear of running into AQ or a better set.

AP, I'm folding flop - if SB is a fish, I just might pay him off, depending on CO's stats.

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09-17-2017 , 03:53 PM

Mohsen

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Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 773

I understand your thought process here and I use to go through that as well.
But here is the problem:
A lot of pple in micros are recreational players who doesn't have as much understanding of the game as you do.
They have different thought processes, how many tines you've seen pple 3bet shove 100BB with AK and even a lot more with AA and KK in these stakes? I've seen it a lot! You are right. He is loosing his customer and is not making the optimal play. Because he just simply doesn't know what that means! He doesn't know what else to do!
Always take that in consideration. .. It ia important to know who you are up against...

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09-18-2017 , 12:33 PM

thejackel69

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I definately check flop with the intention of x/R. That way you can get an extra bet out of a cbet or a SB call.

As played i cant fold the 2nd nuts vs a dubious over bet. If we had AQ in sb would you bomb the flop? If we are folding here we are far too easy to exploit vs over agression with hands like KQ, QJ or QT that are happy enough with their equity to shove. Could be a leak but I find a call.

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