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08-20-2017 , 06:21 PM
hello,
Since stars has this usain bolt promotion for +10NL
I want to play zoom 10NL in the week-ends maybe even put in more volume in the weektime if everything goes well. (5bb+ winrate 4 tabling)

I am looking for Positive minded people to crush 10NL zoom by sharing toughts / strategy and ofcourse gains to talk poker on skype

main problems for me playing 10NL zoom vs unknown population are:

a. optimal opening ranges vs this unknown player pool
b. optimal call ranges
c. optimal 3b ranges
d. optimal call ranges vs 3bets

I never liked zoom becouse I find it hard to play versus a population of random unknown people yet I want to give this a try with the goal to eventually play the higher zoom stakes.

I hope players that are around breakeven/small winners will respond to this post to give eachother constructive feedback and help eachother to crush 10NL zoom and beyond
I Never joined a study group or talked strategy with anyone but I think if people can coach eachother that can be really good for both our game!
so don't hold back to leave me a message.

If i do get in a skype/discord conversation i will not share databases becouse I want my stars account to last a lifetime so it can make me allot of money!
Also i prefer to talk population trends and global approach on static/dynamic boards, global approach in 3b pots, etc... over is this a good way to play this hand on this board.
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08-20-2017 , 06:35 PM
There's a study group thread stickied at the top of this subforum. You should be able to find interested people there.
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08-20-2017 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by whitemares
There's a study group thread stickied at the top of this subforum. You should be able to find interested people there.
gotcha, silly me
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08-20-2017 , 08:56 PM
I wouldn't play zoom, play normal tables it's incredibly +EV.

All your preflop ranges are going to be something you'll have to search up and read about, took me days too make all of mine. I'd use upswing pokers opening ranges but just take out the bottom of the range until you feel more comfortable. As for the other 3, have a look at pokersnowie. The ranges there are decent, my ranges are similar just alter a little bit after reading some 2+2 posts and other stuff on the internet.

If you wanna chat on skype, send me a dm. gl
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08-20-2017 , 09:34 PM
Play calm and value bet a lot. Optimizing for $10nl is pretty silly. This is a good place to work on mental discipline and not worry too much about 3-bet frequencies.
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08-21-2017 , 11:56 AM
@Alongmuir
thanks for the advice,
- imo snowie ranges are good but not a holy grail at all if you play zoom nl10, vs the population in general i think utg ranges can have some more suited connectors and even one gaps and sb & bu ranges are a bit to wide becouse i never know if a unknown 3bet with a random hand becouse my fold to pf3bet stat shows 100 (1/1) or he is actually solid or a AK+ guy.
- normal tables should suit my winrate better, but i never gave zoom a decent shot, what if i actually play 50k hands there and get hud stats on the probally bad regs?
- i will pm you my skype details

@tapirboy
thanks for feedback.
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08-21-2017 , 12:58 PM
You will not have any problem when you play higher stakes regular tables.
Esp on weekend with a promotion the field should be pretty bad.
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08-21-2017 , 01:04 PM
Hey man! If u wanna talk some hands on Skype i am 100% IN! DM me your Skype details if u wanna! I am playing 5NL Zoom tho but I don't think there is much of a difference in terms of skill level!
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08-21-2017 , 01:44 PM
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Last edited by Delmar; 08-21-2017 at 01:45 PM. Reason: answered my own question
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08-23-2017 , 11:39 AM
does anyone know how to interpret the reliability of a player's 3bet stat?
for example villain shows 3bet of 2.5 (1/40) this number " 2.5 " more then likely is not villains actual 3 bet range.
Some of you probally have a easy trick to apply in practise for this, yet the batterys of my texas-ti 84 calculator are dead since i left school, and was mainly used for playing snake and cheating at that time.
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08-23-2017 , 12:44 PM
It means V 3bet is 2.5%, once time in 40 opportunities. You could compute e.g. confidence interval which says: with 95% probability his 3b is between 0 to xx %.

Dont bother with that, say 40 sample is somewhere mid, not useless but not great. Personaly using 300 hands overall sample as criterium for looking at 3b.
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08-23-2017 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Shamway99
It means V 3bet is 2.5%, once time in 40 opportunities. You could compute e.g. confidence interval which says: with 95% probability his 3b is between 0 to xx %.

Dont bother with that, say 40 sample is somewhere mid, not useless but not great. Personaly using 300 hands overall sample as criterium for looking at 3b.
Alright thanks, will do the same probally looking at the automatic notes pt4 makes about preflop might give better information aswell.
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08-23-2017 , 01:52 PM
^^
it would be really nice if you could have 2 notes, one for preflop and one for the other stuff but that probally is not possible taking a glimpse at the note editor.
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08-23-2017 , 02:27 PM
what would be a good HUD for zoom 10z?

currently I just use a cirlce font to go over the player image with hands vpip and pfr, a bit like jivaro. I made that a while ago when i want to play allot of normal tables.

https://gyazo.com/94779a35fddbd4edd61710503c9858a4

and green/black square that only show on the sb & bb to show me when i can autoprofit steal wich is not a good indication with low handcount.

then i have this hud group that shows on mouseover wich i barely use but to check vpip pfr actual stats and it has rfi wich are never a good indication with 15-100 hands and some wwsf wtsd afq that i never look at
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08-24-2017 , 03:37 PM
Are there any tools that shows me howmany tables a person is playing at zoom?
Would be dope since a unknown that plays zoom 10NL on 4 tables appears to be a tight/nit player 7/10 times
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