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Old 07-19-2008, 09:48 PM   #176
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

Hello! So I started out playing poker a bit over a month now; haven't really played at all before, so I'm pretty much relying on what advice I've found from a friend and these forums. Started kinda rough, but I've been steadily improving. Over the last couple of weeks my play has more or less stabilized, so I think the stats are fairly indicative of where I am now, though I may be slightly tighter pf than it indicates. I welcome your thoughts, so please have a look, criticize freely!


Oh, we're looking at the .05 and .1 primarily. The .05 has near about 4k hands play, .1 has 2k hands in. I've been running sickly hot by .05, losing a tad by the .1
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Old 07-20-2008, 07:40 AM   #177
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Hey guys...

Recently moved from a successful SSMTT grinding to NL50 cash (overrolled though, still learning).

So here's a small 25k sample of my hands + positional stats. Would anyone mind taking a min and having a look at those roughly? Should I loosen up from the BTN e.g.? From looking at those, I think I do...

Anything else I should be looking at?




Fwiw, my non-showdown hands graph REALLY sucks... But is this due to NL50 being "valuetown the fish, fold marginal hands" that I horribly suck at this? Or what other reasons could there be? Also, does this really matter on NL50? Or have I got some serious leaks here?




I wanna purge some leaks and then take some shots at NL100, but I think I still got some major ones...


Cheers and thanks a lot in advance for taking a look at that
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Old 07-21-2008, 01:09 AM   #178
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Hi, stats guys, I need your help.
I have played 6-max for a while now, and I consider myself above the average player in my limits. I have crushed every limit 8PTBB/100 up to NL25.
Now I'm taking part in a promotion/contest(who builds the biggest bankroll). So I moved to Primas NL10 and NL20. Prima is a very soft site, so most of my villains are 50/5/1 or somewhere near that. I'm finding much trouble in finding, how to exploit them. I think I could beat Stars NL50(because most of the players are standard tags, I'm a "student of Leatherass, so I know how to exploit them). So nõnow you know, how I play, could you please tell me what am I doing wrong. Usually I raise it up pre. Cbet a good board when missed, they call, and float me with low-pair, so I'll throw away like med-pair or 2 overcards. Also, the stats I'm about to post consists of different playing styles, started with 21/18, then I was like 28/25, now I'm 16/14.

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Old 07-21-2008, 05:37 PM   #179
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http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?i...7211714yb7.png

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I play too many (loose) hands or :///
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Old 07-21-2008, 06:14 PM   #180
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Hey guys...

Recently moved from a successful SSMTT grinding to NL50 cash (overrolled though, still learning).

So here's a small 25k sample of my hands + positional stats. Would anyone mind taking a min and having a look at those roughly? Should I loosen up from the BTN e.g.? From looking at those, I think I do...
Definitely open more from the CO and BTN. Especially the button.
Depending on the games and your post flop skills anything between 30-40% can be optimal. Look at the blinds' fold to steal and if they fold a lot open up your range a lot more. Open more on the CO when the button is nitty, especially if he doesn't 3bet you. 3bet the CO when you're OTB, especially if he steals a lot. Start adding suited connectors to your 3bet range as you become more comfortable with 3betting.


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Anything else I should be looking at?

Fwiw, my non-showdown hands graph REALLY sucks... But is this due to NL50 being "valuetown the fish, fold marginal hands" that I horribly suck at this? Or what other reasons could there be? Also, does this really matter on NL50? Or have I got some serious leaks here?

I wanna purge some leaks and then take some shots at NL100, but I think I still got some major ones...


Cheers and thanks a lot in advance for taking a look at that
Hard to say from just the positional stats but it's possible you're playing weak-tight. What's your W$SD? If it's above 55% look for spots where you could call down lighter. For example if you cbet flop, turn goes check, check it's usually ok to look up a small river bet super light, especially if there's a missed draw out there.
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Old 07-21-2008, 10:12 PM   #181
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Could someone take a look at my graphs? Any advice would be so greatly appreciated. Also how can you get the positional stats on here, imageshack wont take csv files.

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Old 07-22-2008, 07:20 AM   #182
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Definitely open more from the CO and BTN. Especially the button.
Depending on the games and your post flop skills anything between 30-40% can be optimal. Look at the blinds' fold to steal and if they fold a lot open up your range a lot more. Open more on the CO when the button is nitty, especially if he doesn't 3bet you. 3bet the CO when you're OTB, especially if he steals a lot. Start adding suited connectors to your 3bet range as you become more comfortable with 3betting.

Hard to say from just the positional stats but it's possible you're playing weak-tight. What's your W$SD? If it's above 55% look for spots where you could call down lighter. For example if you cbet flop, turn goes check, check it's usually ok to look up a small river bet super light, especially if there's a missed draw out there.
Cheers squirrel, will have a look at the points you mentioned. I definitely thought that I should open up wider on CO/BTN, and recently looking out for some spots to do so, increased slightly over the last few k hands, but still need to improve I guess...

Thanks a million... Struggling quite hard at the moment, downswing continued and down to ~2.5ptbb/100 over 25k hands, pretty ugly. Ah well, at least couple hundred bucks Also, still improving, so I hope that will get better as well...
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Old 07-22-2008, 11:50 AM   #183
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10K of single tabling 10NL, whee!!!

Note: SINGLE TABLING I'm not 45% VPIPing across 12 tables here; anyone commenting as such deserves an e-punch straight to their e-peen.












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Old 07-24-2008, 04:15 PM   #184
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

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Hey

As a relatively new poker player I started on 10NL 6-max and Im having a decent winrate. But I wouldn't mind some coaching or comments on the stats.

hand sample size is relatively small (17k).




So i noticed my pfraise is only half of my vpip, even though this seem to not affect my winrate too much (or does it, and can it be higher?). I am very aggresive on the flop, raising often, maybe its bad but it makes up to my low pfraise rate.

BTW, how can you see flop, turn, river aggression factor on pt 3?

For the rest Im not quite sure the numbers are optimal.

I play on everest poker, and yes it's way more fishy than pokerstars.

Anyway please do analyse it a bit!

thanks

to answer a question asked on the now closed thread, I 10-table
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Old 07-24-2008, 04:19 PM   #185
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Mycket bra Swede ... I'm guessing lots of limpers and multiway pots, no ?


Just be sure that once you move up and tables become dryer, you need to close the gap slightly between your vpip and your pfr ... unless you read hands well and can out float them all.


Anyways, if you have a winrate > 5ptbb, you have no worries ... keep on the good job
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Old 07-24-2008, 04:48 PM   #186
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hehe tackar

another question, i saw that most people have AF going lower by the turn and river

mine are 3.74, 2.57, 3.30 for the flop, turn, river.

Is it good to be as aggressive on the river? Im just concerned im on some kind of sick heater, also my won at showdown when raised on turn or river is around 80%... too high? shall i raise even more?

Im just so scared my stats are on some kind of sick heater and once that stops i would have no clue how to adapt :P
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Old 07-24-2008, 06:25 PM   #187
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I guess this is the place to come for a quick review of some of my stats.

at NL50 6max:

won $ WSF: 38.86 %
won at showdown: 52.68 %
went to showdown: 24.18 %

24.36/16.57/2.10 VPIP/PFR/AF

Folded SB to steal: 82.79

Folded BB to steal: 76.07

ATT to steal: 32.28

These strike anyone as off?

I'm a moderate winner (around 3.5 BBs/100) over 30 k hands or so. I feel like it should be more.

I'm also in the red with one pair hands. I seem to remember from way back when that I used to stay in the green with such hands.
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Old 07-24-2008, 06:37 PM   #188
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hehe tackar

another question, i saw that most people have AF going lower by the turn and river

mine are 3.74, 2.57, 3.30 for the flop, turn, river.

Is it good to be as aggressive on the river? Im just concerned im on some kind of sick heater, also my won at showdown when raised on turn or river is around 80%... too high? shall i raise even more?

Im just so scared my stats are on some kind of sick heater and once that stops i would have no clue how to adapt :P
If you're playing retardo fish, having a high river AF is ++EV, imo . A fish on a draw will almost never fold the flop, rarely fold the turn, and almost always fold missed draws on the river/not bluff missed draws on the river. Same for moderate calling stations; middle pair is plenty on the flop, OK on the turn, and frequently a painful laydown on the river.
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Old 07-24-2008, 07:03 PM   #189
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I guess this is the place to come for a quick review of some of my stats.

at NL50 6max:

won $ WSF: 38.86 %
won at showdown: 52.68 %
went to showdown: 24.18 %

24.36/16.57/2.10 VPIP/PFR/AF

Folded SB to steal: 82.79

Folded BB to steal: 76.07

ATT to steal: 32.28

These strike anyone as off?

I'm a moderate winner (around 3.5 BBs/100) over 30 k hands or so. I feel like it should be more.

I'm also in the red with one pair hands. I seem to remember from way back when that I used to stay in the green with such hands.
Thought I'd reply to this seeing as I recognise you from my NYY thread lurking.

Your Won$WSF % is a little low, low 40's is a little more desirable. With yours in the high 30's, it suggests you're losing money in non-showdown pots.

That is likely a direct consequence of your low preflop aggression. You're flatting with around a third of your preflop range, which means you're not the aggressor on the flop as often as the more conventional 20/16 - 25/20 type player.

While I'd say you could be a strong winner with those preflop stats, it all depends on postflop really. You'll need to be doing a fair bit of floating and bluff raising given how often you see the flop without being the preflop aggressor. Alternatively, you could try getting a little more aggressive preflop and take down more pots with cbets.
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Old 07-24-2008, 10:05 PM   #190
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Hi folks. Love to hear your thoughts on my stats - what stands out to you - either negatively or positively or both. THESE ARE ONLY TOURNAMENTS. I rarely play cash games online for some reason so...

33,689 hands total. I decided not to include heads up play cause they'd probably affect the stats a lot right? . So 3-10 players in tournaments only.

VPIP – 19.93
PFR – 13.04
WWSF – 41.18
WTSD – 37.70
WSD – 55.48
AF – 3.40
AFq (have no idea what this is about) – 45.85
3Bet – 4.39
Fold 3B – 80.18
Att to Steal – 34.89
Fold BB to Steal – 76.41
Fold SB to Steal – 85.79

Thanks for your help

Oh, and let me know if there are any other stats I should include or which are really important.
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Old 07-24-2008, 11:33 PM   #191
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Thought I'd reply to this seeing as I recognise you from my NYY thread lurking.

Your Won$WSF % is a little low, low 40's is a little more desirable. With yours in the high 30's, it suggests you're losing money in non-showdown pots.

That is likely a direct consequence of your low preflop aggression. You're flatting with around a third of your preflop range, which means you're not the aggressor on the flop as often as the more conventional 20/16 - 25/20 type player.

While I'd say you could be a strong winner with those preflop stats, it all depends on postflop really. You'll need to be doing a fair bit of floating and bluff raising given how often you see the flop without being the preflop aggressor. Alternatively, you could try getting a little more aggressive preflop and take down more pots with cbets.
I am definitely losing a ton of money in non-showdown flops. I really fold way too much. I'm trying to figure out how to stop doing that. I've tried running some intricate bluffs, but I seem to get looked up often or I'm hesitant to fire 3 barrels. Maybe I'm just being results oriented.

I call with a fairly wide range preflop when I am in position. Out of position I am much tighter unless it is a multi-way pot. How would you suggest getting my pf aggression up? Squeeze more? 3bet randomly more and try to cbet it to win?

I appreciate your advice. Thanks!
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Old 07-25-2008, 10:37 PM   #192
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I am definitely losing a ton of money in non-showdown flops. I really fold way too much. I'm trying to figure out how to stop doing that. I've tried running some intricate bluffs, but I seem to get looked up often or I'm hesitant to fire 3 barrels. Maybe I'm just being results oriented.

I call with a fairly wide range preflop when I am in position. Out of position I am much tighter unless it is a multi-way pot. How would you suggest getting my pf aggression up? Squeeze more? 3bet randomly more and try to cbet it to win?

I appreciate your advice. Thanks!
Well, as I said earlier, it's possible to play a winning game by being relatively passive preflop, you just have to be willing to make some moves post flop. Perhaps you're folding to cbets too often, try to think about the kinds of boards people like to cbet (dry K hi boards for example) and try restealing sometimes.

Before you change your preflop game, I'd check whether it is your passive play preflop that is getting you into trouble. I'd run a filter in PT or HEM (I don't have the new versions so I'm not sure how to do this specifically, but I'm sure it's possible) and look at your winrate when you flat a raise preflop. If this is in the negative, there's an obvious leak. If it's in the positive, but less than when you're the aggressor preflop, it's a little more ambiguous as obviously you're the aggressor with a better range compared to what you flat with.

If you do decide to get more aggressive preflop, I'd suggest 3betting sometimes with hands like 54s, 75s, etc, when you're in position. I'd rather 3bet these than hands like AJ, which tend to be dominated by a lot of people's 3bet calling range. I also prefer to 3bet with weaker suited connectors, I feel that JTs, T9s etc make decent pairs enough to make flatting them better.

I also suggest you watch thacs 3bet vid. I think he talks about why 3betting is so effective (people rarely play back at you without the goods in 3bet pots, + you often pick up the pot preflop).

Hope this helps.
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Old 07-27-2008, 06:57 AM   #193
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50NL six-max is ripping me a new *******. I don't know why because it seems like just about everybody sucks. I am getting torn apart by fish right now.

9k hands:
VPIP: 25%
PFR: 19%
3-bet: 4%
WTSD: 23.9%
W$SD%: 47.4
Agg: 3.04
Agg %: 33%
Flop Agg: 4.12
Turn Agg: 2.32
River Agg: 1.58
Cbet%: 45.9
W$WSF: 40.3
Steal %: 43.6
Button Steal Success 54.2

I'm losing money in non SD pots but I swear I don't know if it's sample size or what. Any apparent leaks, someone please tell me because I don't know **** about poker stats.
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Old 07-27-2008, 07:06 AM   #194
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Just some random thoughts that popped up when I skimmed through those stats, saymond:

Your steal% is pretty high, almost too high I'd say... Try tightening up a tiny little bit there maybe? You're definitely bleeding some chips by trying to steal too often (possibly against too loose blinds with too marginal hands?) and then NOT c-betting often enough (45% is kinda low I'd say as well)...

So those 2 in combination might be a leak... Dunno really though...


Rest looks ok/fine/standard/whatever
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Old 07-27-2008, 07:10 AM   #195
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errr i'm dumb that's not my c-bet % that's my bet flop%, I think my c-bet is like 78%
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Old 07-27-2008, 08:07 AM   #196
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50NL six-max is ripping me a new *******. I don't know why because it seems like just about everybody sucks. I am getting torn apart by fish right now.

9k hands:
VPIP: 25%
PFR: 19%
3-bet: 4%
WTSD: 23.9%
W$SD%: 47.4
Agg: 3.04
Agg %: 33%
Flop Agg: 4.12
Turn Agg: 2.32
River Agg: 1.58
Cbet%: 45.9
W$WSF: 40.3
Steal %: 43.6
Button Steal Success 54.2

I'm losing money in non SD pots but I swear I don't know if it's sample size or what. Any apparent leaks, someone please tell me because I don't know **** about poker stats.
Hmmm ... hard to say on the fly ... positional stats might help.

Basically you're very aggro, which is good ... but somewhere you spew.

Guesses might be ...

1) you don't fire enough 2nd barrels.

2) you fold to flop raises too much, when you should be restealing (player dependent off course)

3) You do wierd things in 3bet pots.



The first two need handreading and might lead to more spewing if not done correctly.
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Old 07-27-2008, 11:57 AM   #197
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hi, some advice for get better?

vpip 21.4
pfr 18.8
agg 2.65
wtsd 31.4
w$sd 52.2
w$wsf 41.3
3bet 10.8
4bet 0.9
3bet call 52.4
flop cbet 73.4
turn cbet 53.0
fold flop cbet 58.3
fold turn cbet 37.5

i must increase my 4bet range but i don't know how....

thanks for any help !
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Old 07-27-2008, 12:45 PM   #198
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Hi folks. Love to hear your thoughts on my stats - what stands out to you - either negatively or positively or both. THESE ARE ONLY TOURNAMENTS. I rarely play cash games online for some reason so...

33,689 hands total. I decided not to include heads up play cause they'd probably affect the stats a lot right? . So 3-10 players in tournaments only.

VPIP – 19.93
PFR – 13.04
WWSF – 41.18
WTSD – 37.70
WSD – 55.48
AF – 3.40
AFq (have no idea what this is about) – 45.85
3Bet – 4.39
Fold 3B – 80.18
Att to Steal – 34.89
Fold BB to Steal – 76.41
Fold SB to Steal – 85.79

Thanks for your help

Oh, and let me know if there are any other stats I should include or which are really important.
You should post these in the STT forum, not here. But a lot of your play in STT's depends on how you play early vs late.
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Old 07-27-2008, 12:49 PM   #199
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i must increase my 4bet range but i don't know how....
Sorry, what? You don't need to be 4betting light at those stacks, REALLY. Maybe once every 2k hands or whatever it could be appropriate, but else, don't think about that imo...

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vpip 21.4
pfr 18.8
agg 2.65
wtsd 31.4
w$sd 52.2
w$wsf 41.3
3bet 10.8
4bet 0.9
3bet call 52.4
flop cbet 73.4
turn cbet 53.0
fold flop cbet 58.3
fold turn cbet 37.5
Just one thing that stands out to me is your 3bet %. This is really too high I think. You are probably 3betting stuff like 77+;AJ+ out of the blinds and don't really know what to do on the flop if you get called, and you probably don't know why you're doing that... Again, I'd like to direct you to thac's 3betting video, it should clear some general stuff about 3betting ranges etc. up to you.

Goodluck with that, cheers
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Just one thing that stands out to me is your 3bet %. This is really too high I think. You are probably 3betting stuff like 77+;AJ+ out of the blinds and don't really know what to do on the flop if you get called, and you probably don't know why you're doing that... Again, I'd like to direct you to thac's 3betting video, it should clear some general stuff about 3betting ranges etc. up to you.

Goodluck with that, cheers
first, thanks for your reply!!!, are you trying to said that i must fold or call with hands like 77+ AJ+ ?? i know that my range is high, maybe if i play more passive hands like 65s+ IP or JK+ MP, but 77+ & AJ+ ???

anyway i gonna search the video that you recommend me

thanks !
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