I'll preface my advice by saying that trying to copy someone else's style could be detrimental to YOUR game. i.e. if i suggest tightening the blinds, it could be good for one person but bad for you.

lifted this from elsewhere in 2+2

"4. Defending the blinds. Click on "Turn Filter Off," and then click on "Filters..." again. Under "Blind Status" click on "Either Blind." Now under "Vol. Put $ In Pot" click on "Put Money In." This shows you if you're bleeding money out of the blinds. A "BB/Hand" of about -0.375 would indicate that you were no better off putting money into the pot than if you had folded. If your "BB/Hand" is larger than that, then you typically win back some of your blind money when you put money into the pot from the blinds. That's all you can really hope for."

So if that is the case, instead of "either blind" you use "small blind" in the filter and if that's the case, then anything over -.375 BB/hand would be a good number. But where does that -0.375 come from and is that with both the BB and SB? If that's the case, what is it strictly for the SB? "

"The -0.375 relates to both blinds. You are forced every 100 blind hands to put in 50 big and fifty small blinds. A big blind is half (0.50) of a Big Bet and a small blind is a quarter (0.25) of a Big Bet. Add the two, divide by 2 and you get (0.50 + 0.25) / 2 = 0.375.
Your default in the small blind would be -0.25ptBB/100 and -0.50ptBB/100 in the big blind.
So basically if you folded every single hand in the blinds you would end up with 0.375ptBB/hand.
If your win rate is lower than that, you'd be better off folding all the hands rather than playing them at a worse loss."

check your stats as detailed above, and "if your win rate is lower than 0.375ptbb/hand" then folding everything is correct. in theory.

i agree, if there's a 10/8 nit there for the taking then go for it. but don't use this idea to justify frequent steals against a 16/14 "cos he's almost a nit", you know what i mean?

much like all things in poker it is situation/player dependent.

HOWEVER, this has prompted me to look at my own sb play, and i'm running at 0.78 bb/100, playing 31.5/15.9 over a decent sample. In my last 500 hands from sb my biggest losing hands have been ak, QQ, aj, 77, JJ. It seems when I lose from the small blind its for stacks with good starting hands, but i clean up with moderate hands. i.e. i may lose $20 twice with AK and QQ, but with t9, 86, etc etc i will win $5 9 times for a $5 profit. You follow? I think from that what i'll take is kinda what i posted above, dont play big pots out of position. if you're going to play from the small blind, keep the pots small and the victories small. AVOID big confrontations in the sb, that means hands including aa, kk, qq... you will be out of position against a player who may have entered the pot light cos he is fishy in the bb. sb= play small win small.

hope this helps.

nb: may not apply to everyone.

thanks. that is what i was thinking, but i wanted confirmation.

about to what limit will this be like till? just so i can make anote and adjust when i get to that level

i am only playing 10nl and some 25nl, so this is all regurgitated info....not first hand. that said, i understand it isn't megaimportant until 100nl-200nl. that comes from verneer's mouth, cardrunner's vids, and a ton of posts both here and elsewhere. it seems 200nl is where we need to start thinking about balancing lines/plays, redlines, 3rd level thinking, etc......for the most part. sure, there are specific players we may find along the way that are worthy of this stuff, but they are so few and far between (and we shouldnt be at any given level long enough to build that kind of history) that it isnt a serious hit to our overall winrate.

personally, i am trying to keep these questions from entering my head because it will lead me right down the road to FPS.....and that is more detrimental to a winrate than just not worrying about it at all.

This line of thinking is really bad.
FWIW the fact that people's redline is on a large decline is more or less indicative of a leak (and potentially a very large leak). Your red-line improves with better hand-reading, better analysis of board textures, and player tendencies.

Many of which if not all come with playing less tables which is why that is stressed.

Obviously if you're playing against 5 fish at all your tables your red-line is probably going to plummet. But besides this extreme, your redline should not be much worse than slightly negative ESPECIALLY considering most of you guys run very tight

under 60k hands at 50nl, could you help me please

is this some sorta level?

be more aggressive when you play hands from the bb???

if your winning at 8bb/100 over 50k i think you;re doing ok....

well I am a decent amount of hands into 25NL.. I feel i have alot of leaks but I don't quite have the know-how to plug them. So I am looking for some outside assistance. I appreciate anything helpful.

martin, you could try to start opening up your game a tad bit otb and in general. basically to just work on hand reading in a few tougher spots when it costs u less as opposed to when u move up

So basicly i'v been playing NL 25 for like two months now, I'v been running like a dump, and are like 600-800$ under EV, but thats not the main problem i guess. I'm almost breakeven at this point, and spewing ALOT, i mean really alot. But i dno what else to do, i fold if i feel i'm beat, i try to bluff in the right spots etc. I know i might get unconsentrated once in a while, but still.

I'm basicly up 1000$ on showdown and down 1075$ on non-showdown atm, played around 50k hands at 17,49/13,26, kinda tight i guess.


Last night however i had an awesome session, i played pretty much all my non-showdown hands correct i felt and ended 1$ in pluss over a 1000hand sample (just now i played 1,900 hands and ended up 120$ down on non-showdown..)

(Play 6max but obv like 7k full ring inside aswell)


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Thanks for replyes, will maybe make an own thread cus its starting to annoy me

a few things that is noticeable:

1) your winrate from the button is relatively poor. this is where the money is to be made, and should include a very large range. Also, the more hands you raise from the button the better you'll have to play post flop. My button raising range is Ax, K9+ Q9+, suited connecters, suited one gappers, unsuited connectors 45+, unsuited one gappers 57+. Bet the button unless you have a very good reason not to.

2) your call 3bets from position 3,4,5 is noticeably higher. (this is in part to do with the fact that there's more players to act after you that can 3 bet as opposed to if you raise the button) but the difference between "Call 3 bet" of approx 60 in pos 3,4,5 and approx 30 in pos button,1,2,6 is too big. Calling 3 bets i've always considered spewy. Generally, if I've been 3 bet, i'm 4 betting or dumping. if you call, call with a plan for the flop. i.e "i'm going to call with AQoff, and c-bet any uncoordinated flop" or "i'll call with 99, and c-raise any flop without an A or K." have some sort of plan.

3) you're playing 15/9, and i'm guessing given that you played 40k hands that you probably multi-table alot. If you currently play 16, try 12, if you currently play 8, try playing 4. I started with 2, then 4, i now play 5. And having dabbled with 6+ (bearing in mind i used to 12-16 table sng's on stars im used to multitabling) i find that for sng's you're playing a basic strategy, and can multitable reasonably easy, but for cash, i think it needs to be a bit more fluid and have some more flexibility. surely, playing 10k hands and winning $200 is better than playing 40k hands in the same amount of time and being down $150.

4) also, a stat you should check but no one ever really posts, check what hands are making you the most and the least money. I did this after 10k hands and found, obviously, AA, KK, AK, QQ were my main winners, but AJ and KJ were KILLING me. lesson, be smarter with AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ hands like that. dont over value them. etc.

Soni, see my reply above to FeltLegend, some of the same stuff might apply.

Your WTSD is, in my opinion, kinda low. This can mean one of two things. The most obvious is that you are too tight on the river and fold alot. This is actually probably a good thing though, being able to make river folds will save you $$ in the long run. But, if you flop top set on a dry board? how do you play it, do you give your opponent chances to put money in the pot, or do you chase him out with big bets? Say you have TT, on a Tx5s2s board, you bet 60% of the pot on flop and turn, your opponent check calls both streets, reasonably we can put a flush draw as a massive portion of his range, so when he checks the river, a 60% pot bet is never going to get called... alot of 2+2 theory advocates making big value bets "because it only has to work 1 in x times to be profitable" , for me in this kinda situation its crap... good hand reading will give you a good idea of what you can bet and expect to get called, in my example here a bet of 60%pot is NEVER getting called, but a 5bb bet into a 40bb pot MIGHT get called by A-high, middle pair, bottom pair, etc etc. in a thousand hand session if you get 3 5bb river bets to get called that SHOULDNT be called, thats 15bb, , or 1.5bb/100. That can DRASTICALLY effect a winrate.

I am just getting back into online poker and have implemented holdem manager for the first time. It honestly feels like I am cheating after playing "blind" for awhile. Is this a feasible winrate?? I feel like the quality of play is absolutely atrocious at this level...from reading the site it seems like I am playing too hyper/aggressive but there is no resistance..I know I'm running good but are the poker gods gonna bring me back to earth if I can continue to play this aggro??.feedback?? btw only playing 3-4 tables of 6max.
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First post in this thread. 6 Max, stars, NL25. Heater? or crushing what do you guys think. Change up anything?




[x] heater

Hey..
Kinda new..

For 50nl HU.. MY graph is depicting profit in non-showdown winnings, and break even in Showdown.. This trend seems to carry on for my overall play at all levels..

What does this exactly mean.???
What could be contributing factors???

Anything would be very helpful..



Cheers,

Mitch.

I started 5NL on a bit of a heater, I guess. The last 2 weeks, however, have been pretty yuck.

I've been trying to concentrate more on what I'm doing than I was before but it seems I just keep getting worse and worse. I feel like I'm only ever getting stacks in when I'm behind (ie, top 2 pair into a set or flopped straight, set into a flush or straight, etc) and every time I'm ahead people fold.

Maybe I'm just being too aggressive at the wrong times? I don't know.

These are from the last 2 weeks.

what are your final hands statistics like on poker tracker, I seem to be losing alot of money from one pair hands, could you please post screen caps of your final hands summaries so i can see what mine should look like

Howdy everyone.

I have been a bit of a lurker here for a while, but I never really got involved until recently. This is my first stats post and I would really appreciate some feedback. As you can see, I am winning fairly consistently, but I feel like my game is quite "fragile". Any of the numbers look a bit off to you?

Thanks in advance!

these stats the last two weeks only? can you post your stats from the winning period for an clear contrast?

1) losing from the small blind makes baby jesus cry!
2) playing 18/14 at 6max makes me cry!
3) for someone so tight you are a loose(looser) from the blinds than expected.
4) no way should under the gun be your 2nd most profitable position.
5) your river call efficiency from the button is terrible. for every $1 u put in you get $0.46 back. you are in position, so should know everything you need to by the time you get to calling the river. At the micros, big river bets beat top pair 99% of the time. Unless villain gives you a reason to call the river light, dont. tighten your calling range on the river when on the button.

The overall impression i got is that generally you just seem too tight/too passive. can be a symptom of multi-tabling.

7bb/100 over 30k hands!! nice.. wp.

You seem to be losing WAY more in the small blind than a winning player should be... when in the sb, try to make the fold button your friend. you are out of position 100% of the time for all 3 streets. just fold.

against nitty bb's, sure, steal their bb from the sb, but looking at your stats its the only major leak i saw.

This is as important a stat as VPIP, or whatever.

I 8 table! Thanks for the tip Dirtystack.

I was a bit concerned about how much I was losing from the SB, also why I don't seem to be profitable from middle position, but then again the sample is so small that it could be just variance. I'll definitely keep a watchful eye out on the SB, and I look forward to more opinions...

hey can you guys help me analyze my ev graph

my main concern/question is how my non showdown winnings are negative while everything else is positive. its also odd cuz im the first to admit im a beginning player and ive spent a lot of time to learn the game. i know im much better now than i was when i first started so its odd the non showdown winnings seemed to be fine then all of a sudden they started going negative and have continued.

one other thing is i am definitely a LAG. i usually play .1/.25 6max and my VPIP% is around 35. my thought about the non showdown winnings being negative is that I am way too loose especially OOP and am forced to lay down hands on the flop or turn when i have a marginal holding and get played back at

Oops! Yes, I usually play 4-5 tables.

hi jakelk90,
that's definitely a point that confirms that. Other things could be:
- not stealing enough
- too less aggression on later streets (value betting...or do you often check it down?)

BTW, as I do right now, you're running under EV (blue graph). But you're not losing overall, which is fine.

GL