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12-02-2009 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by StonedDonkey
Hei guys
I have two maybe stupid questions,what means this bb/100?and whats a difference between PT bb/100 and HM bb/100?
thanks
BB/100 is your winrate, measured in Big Bets per 100 hands. One Big Bet = Two big blinds, which is often written as

1BB=2bb. Also big bets are sometimes written as ptbb, or poker tracker big blinds.

PT and HEM both use this as a measure of how much you're winning.

So say you're playing 10NL, where the small blind is 5c and the big blind is 10c, and your winrate is 10ptbb/100. Here you are winning 10 big bets per hundred hands.

10BB = 20bb

1bb = 10c

therefore

10BB = 20 x 10c = $2

So at this winrate you're winning $2 per hundred hands. If you play 10k hands a week (a decent amount of volume) this would net you $200, assuming all 10k hands were played at an average winrate of 10BB/100.

Does that make sense?
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12-02-2009 , 03:12 PM
ohh yes,thanks bro!
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12-03-2009 , 06:14 PM
Hi everyone,

Here's my PT stats for my first 13k hands since becoming part of these forums.

To assist with my learning, I was hoping for feedback of my stats to date, and to hear about the strengths and flaws of my game so I might learn more about my overall level of play.

Thanks in advance!








Last edited by fishaholic; 12-03-2009 at 06:20 PM.
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12-03-2009 , 06:33 PM
So ive been a losing player for years, just committed myself to actually studying strategies. Just got HEM and a hud, which are helping, but i still have obvious leaks in my game. What can u guys tell me by just looking at my stats?



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12-03-2009 , 10:04 PM
What! NO feedback yet???!!!

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12-03-2009 , 10:37 PM
sorry, heres the images. I'm obviously on a pretty low level, but any insight to my flaws would be appreciated



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12-04-2009 , 02:54 AM
Dude you need to play more than 2.7K hands
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12-04-2009 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Ksight3
Dude you need to play more than 2.7K hands
Go back a page.... I've posted 13k worth!!!
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12-04-2009 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by fishaholic
Go back a page.... I've posted 13k worth!!!
At a quick glance, you don't look very positionally aware, which may also mean you can be playing a bit robotic

You're WTSD might also be a little low which is likely having some effect on the slightly high W$SD
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12-04-2009 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Green_29
last 30k hands at nl10, I have another 60k hands with basically the same stats and winrate.

I think one of my biggest leaks is my non-showdown winnings. I dont care about the being in the negative, but that redline is costing me 6ptbb/100. If I could cut if by even 2ptbb/100, that would give my winrate a great boost. What changes I am going to have to make for nl25? I feel like I might be playing a bit too weak for nl25 and I will probably get crushed by the regs there, or is it basically the same and I will do ok playing just like this? btw this is all 8-10 tabling.

anyone?
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12-04-2009 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Green_29
anyone?
This is a bit for everyone, but pertaining to you specifically as well

Remember stats generally change depending on how tight/loose you are, as well as your style of play.

Meaning...the tighter you are, the higher your c-bet, more aggressive, higher W$WSF/W$SD "should" be, and obviously the looser you are, the opposite is generally true.

Obviously this also changes on your style of play a bit, but that's the general guideline.

You are playing 17/14 which is a fairly tight game, but your aggression is really low. What's really low is your c-bet %. A person of your stats probably should have a c-bet % of closer to 65%+. You are likely not c-betting enough, and giving up too much the times you CB as well.

In the same regard, your fold to c-bet is really high. You're likely playing too fit or fold, putting money in pre, and just folding, which is costing your red-line.

The fact that you're tight, and your W$WSF is 35% means there's big leaks in your post-flop game...
This should be at least 45, and the tighter you are, the higher it should be
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12-04-2009 , 04:42 PM
I play 10nl and have started playing a bit of 25nl recently. I know I play too nitty to be optimal 6 max but do tilt from time to time so try and keep the variece low.

What do you think of my numbers. Too tight and I limp too much from the small blind I don't think this is too bad at 10nl but know i sould try and reduce this. Not sure about the other numers though, just generally need to be more agressive.

Any comments would be appreciated





And on the other graph I have a very negative redline, i am not sure if this is a problem or not.

Last edited by Tomboland; 12-04-2009 at 04:45 PM. Reason: red line
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12-04-2009 , 04:47 PM
Looking at PT3 stats kinda tilt me I'm not sure why.

If I'm looking at that correctly, I'd like to know what you're doing that makes you win more money from the blinds than from UTG through BTN
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12-04-2009 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Ksight3
At a quick glance, you don't look very positionally aware, which may also mean you can be playing a bit robotic

You're WTSD might also be a little low which is likely having some effect on the slightly high W$SD
Thanks for your feedback Ksight. This is a bit of a dumb question, but can you elaborate a little on what stands out for you that makes you think I'm not all that positionally aware? (Just to help me read these stats better. Still learning to use them)

I ask principally because I look at my profitability, and it's steady from the button through to Mid Position. As is my VPIP from BTN to MP.

Is there anything else in my stats that looks leakish? I ask because I don't just look at my pretty green line in an upwards direction and think I'm all that after 16k hands!

I appreciate your comments
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12-04-2009 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by fishaholic
Thanks for your feedback Ksight. This is a bit of a dumb question, but can you elaborate a little on what stands out for you that makes you think I'm not all that positionally aware? (Just to help me read these stats better. Still learning to use them)

I ask principally because I look at my profitability, and it's steady from the button through to Mid Position. As is my VPIP from BTN to MP.

Is there anything else in my stats that looks leakish? I ask because I don't just look at my pretty green line in an upwards direction and think I'm all that after 16k hands!

I appreciate your comments
Well for one, I don't like how PT3 lays out its stats so I only looked at your positional stats (looking at hole cards isn't really indicative of anything, and a graph isn't really indicative of anything over a small sample)

I looked at it again, and I think I misinterpreted it...your positional stats look fine.
My mistake

I blame PT3

Last edited by Ksight3; 12-04-2009 at 08:59 PM.
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12-05-2009 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Clar17y
Yea I find that at 25NL a lot of players like to min 3bet or raise only like $1. If I'm sitting on the BTN with 67s I can find myself calling a minbet as people play straight forward in 3b pots.

Though I just did a filter for "Faced 3bet Preflop" in HEM and over 200 hands I'm down $182! I'm down $104.05 in pots where I called a 3bet so thanks for pointing it out, it's definitely something I'll look into.

Clar
the problem with calling 67 and that sort of hands vs minbets is that you dont get FE when your pushing your draws against their superstrong range of AA KK QQ
so I fold when they are minbetting for the first time, when they are doing it more than once you can call with all sort of SCs
but Ive learned the minbet is mostly a valueminbet to get more money in the pot with AA
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12-05-2009 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Ksight3
This is a bit for everyone, but pertaining to you specifically as well

Remember stats generally change depending on how tight/loose you are, as well as your style of play.

Meaning...the tighter you are, the higher your c-bet, more aggressive, higher W$WSF/W$SD "should" be, and obviously the looser you are, the opposite is generally true.

Obviously this also changes on your style of play a bit, but that's the general guideline.

You are playing 17/14 which is a fairly tight game, but your aggression is really low. What's really low is your c-bet %. A person of your stats probably should have a c-bet % of closer to 65%+. You are likely not c-betting enough, and giving up too much the times you CB as well.

In the same regard, your fold to c-bet is really high. You're likely playing too fit or fold, putting money in pre, and just folding, which is costing your red-line.

The fact that you're tight, and your W$WSF is 35% means there's big leaks in your post-flop game...
This should be at least 45, and the tighter you are, the higher it should be
Thanks.
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12-05-2009 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Tomboland
I play 10nl and have started playing a bit of 25nl recently. I know I play too nitty to be optimal 6 max but do tilt from time to time so try and keep the variece low.

What do you think of my numbers. Too tight and I limp too much from the small blind I don't think this is too bad at 10nl but know i sould try and reduce this. Not sure about the other numers though, just generally need to be more agressive.

Any comments would be appreciated





And on the other graph I have a very negative redline, i am not sure if this is a problem or not.
I think your calling WAY too much in sb (dont do it because there is a lot of limping)
I know it looks like your priced in everytime but most of the time folding is the best option
fold A2o-A9o, you wont get any value out of top pair A and youre only going for two pair value
fold QT, K9, J8 that sort of crap

go and limp hands like 57s JTs also AT QJ BUT dont play your top pair like you would in position

oh and in blind vs blind its either raising or folding


I dont know how you play your big blind but the mistake a lot of 25NL players make is defending too much
never defend with SCs, medium aces
when they are raising IP , call in bb with KJ+, AT+
should stop bleeding from the bb
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12-05-2009 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Green_29
anyone?
I think youre playing good enough to beat 25NL
start by playing 4-6 tables 25NL!!!t you will have to get that Cbet percentage up
yep you will get called a lot so you will have to learn 2 barrel often too (this will be take a lot of hands to do it correctly)
you will make a lot of money of isoing fish and attack nitty blinds + attacking blinds who are defending too much OOP
25NL regs play VERY abc


a spot where I make a LOT of $$$ for example is when they are setmining
like a guy who playes 18/16 over like 100 hands and hes calling your UTG rais in the CO
just keep betting every flop and they will fold everytime (unless they hit set obv)
when the flop comes 556, you will get called a lot with their PP, so double barrel away on J+ turn,
sometimes I triple barrel on liek 5569A

you will only discover spots like this 4-6 tabling and thinking every time in any hand about their range

no idea how you have to get that redline up do
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12-05-2009 , 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Ksight3
This is a bit for everyone, but pertaining to you specifically as well

Remember stats generally change depending on how tight/loose you are, as well as your style of play.

Meaning...the tighter you are, the higher your c-bet, more aggressive, higher W$WSF/W$SD "should" be, and obviously the looser you are, the opposite is generally true.

Obviously this also changes on your style of play a bit, but that's the general guideline.

You are playing 17/14 which is a fairly tight game, but your aggression is really low. What's really low is your c-bet %. A person of your stats probably should have a c-bet % of closer to 65%+. You are likely not c-betting enough, and giving up too much the times you CB as well.

In the same regard, your fold to c-bet is really high. You're likely playing too fit or fold, putting money in pre, and just folding, which is costing your red-line.

The fact that you're tight, and your W$WSF is 35% means there's big leaks in your post-flop game...
This should be at least 45, and the tighter you are, the higher it should be
ah nice comment so thats why im bleeding so much money when im playing 26/22 and Cbetting like 75 percent of the time
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12-05-2009 , 12:44 PM
Put in 10k hands at NL5 buying in for only 40BB. I'm still not comfortable in 100BB play, but I find it easy to play a nitty style over a couple tables and make some money. I'm running at 15.3/9.6/3.3 ... definitely nitty, and winning at a pretty low clip of 9.48 bb/100. Some of my additional stats are WTSD% at 28.2 and W$SD at 59. Flop CBet 65.8%, turn CBet 70.4%, and my fold to Flop CBet is 62.7%. A bit low in some areas, and high in others but not completely out of whack?

I don't think these stats would do well at all 100BB deep. For some reason there is something that still scares me buying in for that much, even though $5 is a really insignificant amount.

I am wondering if my winrate suffers because I can only stack people for 40BB at a time, and if I am better off staying at this level and learning full stack strategy. I guess I have a problem staying engaged in the game, and playing 4-8 tables at a nitty style is easy and keeps my attention. I don't know if I could do that without leaking huge with a 100BB stack.

So, am I ready for NL10? My bankroll is $540ish depending on how much I lose at PLO on any given day lol.

*sorry I didn't see this thread all the way at the top...*

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12-05-2009 , 12:49 PM
ty for the response matt.
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12-05-2009 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Lyncho
Ok, I've played about 17k hands of 25NL and it's gone pretty darn badly, so I'm posting my stats etc here to see if anyone can spot some major leaks that I might be missing.








Thanks guys.
Hey, I'd really appreciate some comments on this if anyone has the time.
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12-05-2009 , 02:12 PM
Yep, bumping my own post for much needed advice. Thanks in advance for any words of wisdom.

Nina

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Hey everyone. I think it's really cool all the input being shared, and I'm hoping someone might take a look at my ole chart. Actually it's not that old, I have just about 10k hands, and it did take me a month to get to this point because I only play 2-3 tables at a time. I do have a problem with tilt (as per the tilt shot bellow) and it mostly happens when I've played for hours, and do ok but then get a bunch of bad beats in a row and I get frustrated.

Basically, I've been working on closing the gap between my Vpip and PFR, and the last few sessions it's been less that 5% difference. I feel I can up my bb/100 if I don't piss away hard won $$ on tilt calls (which I have been doing less) So yeah I know these two things I need to work on. Btw this is all 6max- I find I don't enjoy FR games and cannot beat them because I'm a spew monkey at heart and have to work hard to keep myself in check. Ok enough rambling, here's where I'm at for the moment.





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12-05-2009 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Lyncho
Hey, I'd really appreciate some comments on this if anyone has the time.
well I saw your stats but didnt know what u were doing wrong
your pre looks very good, but your postflop is probably not adapted to playing 20/18
I think youre trying to bluff the fish too much out of the pot + the regs adapt if you Cbet/2barrel too much
oh and if your raising UTG/ UTG+1 more prepare to C/F the flop more because its so hard to to barrel fish out of the hand OOP
maybe you think you get bluffed all the time and you call with blufcatchers all on the time on the river (blue line)

maybe your so convinced you have to play 20/18 at every table you dont adapt to other players, situations


you could nit it up too makes post a lot easier then when youre winning player open it up again
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