i think ur button should be much higher than 30/25, and the blinds should be lower than u recommended

i play 40/30 from the button and am winning at 64.17bb/100 from there over 15k hands. not a great sample, but i think it illustrates my point somewhat

also, i dont this is optimal at all, i feel i should be playing many more hands from the button, probably over 50%

It was just an example to illustrate what was wrong with his game. Optimal stats are entirely dependant on the table you're playing and your own skill. For beginning uNL players too tight is probably better than too loose.

another redline question, this is mu graph from last month all NL50 6 max on stars. basically i want to know if there there is something wrong with my game or if it is possible to have a solid winning style and still have a very negative redline. im happy with this winrate 9 tabling but want to know if it will hold me back when i move to NL100 this month

If the Green line is where it supposed to be at don't worry about the red line. Okay cool you can't play the hip super ultra agro loose retartdo style that most people play. You make money, which is why you are playing.

And you are happy with your bb/100. Don't worry about the stupid redline.

im not really nitty btw, like 24/19, i guess im pretty nitty post though

but yeah i dont want to increase the red line just because it looks pretty, just wondering if i could achieve a better winrate/plug some leaks for moving to NL100

what is your WWSF / W$@sd? / 3b%

40/58/5.3, although im working on increasing the 3 bets, its probably like 9% vs regs and 3% vs fish

are these stats reasonably solid or not, i have no idea. also just ask if u need more stats

Been looking at my stats after 50k hands (5NL and 10NL), I play about 17/13.5/2.8 FYI. My other stats are pretty TAGgy, my redline is negative and my W$WSF is 41.

Want to ask about my W$SD, it is way below 50 which I find difficult to understand given I play pretty much fit-or-fold after I c-bet a flop.

Do you think this could be due to running bad or is there a leak in my game somewhere?

I thought it might indicate I might be calling too many rivers but I would like some more advice on the subject.

I know that this is a very small hand sample. But if I don't plug my leaks now, I'm gonna run out of money after another losing session. I moved down from 25 NL to 10 NL after a big downswing. Here are some stats:

General:


Position:


Misc:



Any help at all is greatly appricated and I will do my best with anything thats offered. Thank you very much!

DBallerz

Play alot tighter untill you're a proven winner at the game. Then you can start thinking about opening your game up. You should be able to beat your current stakes playing something like 15/13. This way you'll get in less tough postflop spots and you'll still get payed off when you make a big hand because people at uNL are stations.

I hope this bump isnt in too bad taste but I went through my DB again after my session and found:

WTSD - 20.5
W$SD - 43.9
W$WSF - 41.4
River AF - 1.6

Looking through the thread, almost every other poster has higher WTSD & W$SD than I do.

When I am playing it feels like villians hit an incredible amount of draws and 2 pairs on the river. I'm pretty sure this is just selective memory and it is more likely that I have some flaw in my game.

Would be cool if I could get some ideas on what leaks (if any) these numbers could indicate.

I took your advice and tightened up during my session to 15/13 and it helped me a lot! I used pokerstove to determine the starting hands...I raise everything and call whatever is in between.





Had a winning session!

I was up 21BB/100 hands after 1500 hands!

Pokerstove bases those handrankings on their preflop allin-equity vs a random range though. This doesn't mean that those are the best hands to play. For example, I'd play all pocketpairs from any position, but only raise KTo in the cutoff (and I play something like 23/20).

Also take position into account. You want to be raising even fewer hands UTG, but more on the button. 9vpip UTG and 25 on the button or so can still result in 15/13 average, while this is alot better than being 15/13 in all positions.

Playing 15/13, I'd raise any pocketpair from any position (or call any raise, maybe fold the lower ones out of the blinds sometimes if villain isn't deep enough to setmine), and I'd add some hands like 67s and better suited connecters aswell as any suited ace on the button, while removing KJo ATo A9s KTs QJo QTs and worse from my UTG range. The other seats somewhere in between.


And just having good results over 1500 hands could also be possible playing 100/100, just like losing over 1500 hands at microstakes could be possible even if you're Phil Ivey. Don't attach too much value to short term results. But I'm pretty sure that you'll do alot better playing 15/13 than with your old style though

Can somebody review these stats? I have a winning winrate so far this month, but a very un-sexy red line.

NL10 (2,558 hands - Dec 08)

VP$IP - 18.14
PFR - 10.01
W$WSF - 45.21
WTSD - 26.22
W$SD - 58.96
AF - 2.33
AFq - 46.59
3Bet - 1.90
Fold 3B - 63.34
Att to Steal - 22.84

By position
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Button - 27/23
CO - 17/11
MP - 18/6
UTG - 12/3.5
BB - 7/2
SB - 26/10

Thanks for looking/giving advice!

Too small of a sample, but you call too much preflop. If you play 18 vpip, your PFR should be something like 15. The fold to 3b is also pretty low, but considering you're only raising 10% of your hands I guess you simply have a hand worthy of calling alot. Too tight out of the BB aswell, but again, too small of a sample to really tell.

I need some help improving my play since I played NL50 for more than 200k hands now and I think I am kinda stuck... I never had a longterm winrate over 50k+ hands with more than 3 PTBB. Could you imagine some of my leaks by looking at my graph and stats?









As you can see I am playing quite tight. I rarely twobarrel the boards. I only try it with at least 8 clean outs (OESD and better) and when the villains call too many cbets on the flop. I try not to play for full stacks with TPTK or worse and rarely do large bluffs with my full stack (I do it maybe every 3000 hands). I usually play for stacks with a strong two pair or better if the board is not too scary.

Any other questions about my play?

That all looks pretty solid and I'd expect anyone with those stats to be a winning player, but not a crushing one. I'm noticing a few things though.

You play so tight, and you win less than 50% at showdown. Your went to showdown ain't abnormally high though, so maybe you just get coolered the hell out of you constantly? Or maybe you simply valuebet too thin/aggro, like 3 streets with a hand that better checks turn and then bets again on the river, because 3 streets don't get called by worse. In general you can't really valuebet too much at NL50 though, so I dunno...

Another thing is your raise first in from the SB. 7.6%?? This is your steal from SB% right? Against some players, you want this to be 100%, against people who play back at you, you want this to be atleast 15-20 still.

You also don't call very much in position preflop. Like on the button, you only coldcall 1,3%. Don't you setmine? Or call with suited connecters like 9Ts in position? 3betting ain't bad, but flopmining, especially with the smaller pocketpairs in position, can be extremely profitable.

Another thing you could be losing on is 3betting/getting 3b, but pt2 doesn't show those stats. With your tight image, you should be able to squeeze the TAG regs more liberally, and also 3b some hands in position that you'd normally fold to a raise (like ace rag, 3b is good because you have an ace blocker, making it less likely that they hold a strong hand).

40% won when seen flop is also fairly low considering how tight you are, but as you said, you play pretty fit or fold postflop. Your image is great to make more moves postflop, ie, 2barrel bluffs. K78 flop, cbet AQ, some TAG who knows you fit or fold after your cbet can call you with 67, 55, or even ATC, and then bet the river when you check behind the turn. But even if he has a hand like TT or a weak king, when YOU bet 2 streets against him, he's gonna have a really hard time calling (turnbets imply another bet on the river).

Basicly, play more hands in position, and fight harder over pots abusing your image (not against the fish, but the regs). Once you get the hang of playing a bit more creative postflop and get used to a style that tries to win more pots, you can start increasing your VPIP, as you'll be able to play more hands profitably.

ur WR would prob be at least double if u stop making large bluffs every 3k hands (that's literally over 15 stacks u've put at risk so far). Also, I think u might need to exercise a little more pot control. Seems like u're losing money at showdown by being too aggro in marginal situations imo. Also, tptk really isn't the nuts and u should be folding to a lot of turn c/r or raises. I think if u were to work on these things u'd find yourself absolutely crushing.

@Grindcore: Thanks for the comprehensive answer. Much appreciated.

If I would get coolered constantly this should be visible in PokerEV, doesn't it? But the adjusted winrate is almost like the real winrate. And I usually don't valuebet too thin I think. Like I said I don't play a hand like TPTK or worse very aggressively. A problem could be that I call too many river raises or big river bets even when the board looks dangerous because when I had some coolers I think that it can't be that villain got lucky on the river AGAIN. Usually I instantly hate me for that but then I ask myself how many hands I should fold in general... As you can see my non-showdown winnings really suck so I would expect me to fold too often but not too less?

I think my raise first-in in the SB is so small because mostly I am not the one who is first-in in the SB. The other players often limp or raise earlier. And when I am in SB I like to raise less than on the button because I am OOP. But it depends on the stats of the guys I want to steal the blinds from. Usually I raise any two cards first-in from the button and SB when they have fold to steal >85% and pretty loose when they have >75%. Otherwise I play quite tight in the SB.

I do setmining but only against tight players who raise UTG or in MP. I don't think I can stack loose people often enough who raise in the CO or on the BU to make calls with low PPs profitable. Instead I often (maybe 50%) try to 3bet with my pocket pairs when the loose players raise in late position. And yes, I rarely call suited connectors (except JTs+) because I don't think that I can play them well postflop. I don't know how to improve that.

@bung: Well, sometimes the large bluffs do work so I think that over 50k hands they cost me 5 stacks at most which would be 0.5 PTBB here. Also it was just a rough estimate. It could well be that I only do it every 5000-7000 hands but definitely not more often than every 3000 hands.

Do you really think I lose my money at the showdown? The graph looks the other way round. I really like my red and blue lines but I hate the green line being so far below red and blue.


Edit: I also wonder if I am doing my table selection right. I usually try not to sit at the tight tables (below 20% players/flop) because I think that tables with loose villains should be the best for my tight range. But maybe it would be better to sit at the tight tables and 3bet preflop and 2barrel postflop more often to exploit the TAGs?

Hi, I used to be a big winner at the micros, then stopped for a bit, but after getting staked last month my win rate dropped dramatically. Would be nice if someone could look at them and possibly tell me where I am going wrong.

hey everton. few pointers:

- you seem to be limping a tad too much. your gap between vpip & pfr is a bit high.
- your money won at showdown (W$SD) is a bit low, suggesting that you might be calling peoples shoves/getting your money in a bit too light. U def want it to be above 50%
- your attempt to steal is a bit low. Aim for somewhere around 25% - 30%.

Good luck mate and keep up the blog!

Well just having a quick look over the stats it looks like you're playing all the positions roughly the same. In fact, your PFR is higher UTG than it is OTB, what is that about?!

Start tightening up UTG and loosening up towards the Button and try to raise as many hands preflop when in position as you can generally take the flop down with a cBet. You also don't seem to be giving up the blinds when a steal has been attempted or folding to 3bets preflop.

If I would get coolered constantly this should be visible in PokerEV, doesn't it? But the adjusted winrate is almost like the real winrate.

No, a cooler is not a bad beat. Kings into aces is a cooler, aces into kings but kings sucking out is a bad beat. If you get dealt kings into aces 10 times and win twice, you are at your exact EV adjusted winrate, but your're still down 8 stacks.

I think my raise first-in in the SB is so small because mostly I am not the one who is first-in in the SB. The other players often limp or raise earlier. And when I am in SB I like to raise less than on the button because I am OOP.

If you raise when there's a limp or raise by one of the other players, it isn't counter as raise first in anymore, because you're not first in. RFI is when everyone folds to you in the SB.

I do setmining but only against tight players who raise UTG or in MP. I don't think I can stack loose people often enough who raise in the CO or on the BU to make calls with low PPs profitable. Instead I often (maybe 50%) try to 3bet with my pocket pairs when the loose players raise in late position. And yes, I rarely call suited connectors (except JTs+) because I don't think that I can play them well postflop. I don't know how to improve that.

You can still setmine profitably against a CO raise with 44 on the button or so, because you have position. OOP you have to flop a set or fold, in position you can read the board texture and you can call a cbet and try to get to showdown, or maybe make a bluff. I guess that's not really setmining then, but you get the idea. Same for suited connecters. With PPs you want to flop sets or get them to showdown, with SCs you want to flop a air and get them to showdown, or flop a draw and go allin on the flop or hit first and then get payed off.

Do you really think I lose my money at the showdown? The graph looks the other way round. I really like my red and blue lines but I hate the green line being so far below red and blue.

No, you're making money at showdown. It's weird though, because people with your style usually have a won at showdown of like 52-57. But maybe you're just playing very aggro with your draws postflop etc, lowering this number. It's hard to tell without knowing your game better. It's just an anomaly, not a leak, I think.

Edit: I also wonder if I am doing my table selection right. I usually try not to sit at the tight tables (below 20% players/flop) because I think that tables with loose villains should be the best for my tight range. But maybe it would be better to sit at the tight tables and 3bet preflop and 2barrel postflop more often to exploit the TAGs?

Obviously loose tables will be better, because the TAGs will be 2barreling and 3betting you aswell on the tighter tables.