Hi folk,

Your thoughts here?

Std in 4bet pot now bcs all this deadmoney w/ 2overs+FD 2nuts.

Pre KQs seems sweet to just flat vs 4bet.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 145.22 BB (VPIP: 29.85, PFR: 24.63, 3Bet Preflop: 11.94, Hands: 135)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 90.78 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 12)
UTG: 102.62 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
MP: 178.34 BB (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 19)
CO: 240.1 BB (VPIP: 21.22, PFR: 15.41, 3Bet Preflop: 1.69, Hands: 357)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K Q

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, BTN raises to 23 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

Flop: (47 BB, 2 players) 3 4 4
Hero checks, BTN bets 16 BB, Hero raises to 77 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 61 BB

Turn: (201 BB, 2 players) 6

River: (201 BB, 2 players) 5




Thanks!

You have to GII on this flop, but the massive mistake is calling a 4 bet pre. Unless you guys got some crazy meta game, I think calling a 4 bet with kqs is just bleeding money.

Yeah, just folding to the 4b pre.

If anything, I'd like to see a 5b jam > flatting 4b if he has a high 4b%. All his bluffs like A2s-A5s, offsuiit Ax have > 50% equity vs you and being OOP, you will underrealize your equity. Plus you block so many premiums like AK/QQ/KK that want to 4b/gii.

I'd just fold as a std unless he 4-bets like 9%+ in this spot

Flop is std

You dont really need to be 5b bluffing really to beat most games, if any for that matter unless you're playing nosebleeds. I can tell you from personal experience that I've blown off quite a bit of stacks with 5b bluff shoves at 100NL/200NL, so I don't really recommend it. People dont 4b enough at all, for value and especially as a bluff

Thanks mates for your thoughts !

Look like i need to fix some preflop leaks.

unless everyone at 50nl is so predictably bad that they're 4betting less than, say, a 3% range overall, folding preflop is insanely bad. i believe that would put you at LEAST at 60% f4b (and his 4b is quite small to boot).

i think your flop play is fine, and i would probably play a jam or fold strategy here. 16 into 47bb cbet is just way too big and so when he shortens the effective remaining stacks so much jamming becomes much more attractive.

In theory, it's insanely bad.

But in practice, not folding to the 4b against std population pool is insanely bad.

Even against a 5-6% 4b in this spot, it should still be a fold. I dont know the exact math, but I'm guessing he has to have at least 8%+ minimum 4b here for a 5b jam or flat OOP to be +EV. Otherwise, you're just lighting money on fire in fear of being exploited, which I doubt you would be except by the best regs.

Just curious OP, did you run into the top of his range (JJ+) and would he have folded pre to a 5b jam?

Also 4b stats would be nice. If he's an aggro 4-bettor prob just snap jamming KQs here. Well not exactly snap jamming but yeah wouldn't give it too much thought

do you mean 5-6% frequency for 4betting or 5-6% of overall hands? 5-6% frequency for 4betting is just... psychotically tight. but against 5-6% of overall hands KQs is a standard continue...

Hand looks pretty standard.

are we not gonna have a flatting range vs the 4bet

We can flat AQo/AJs which crush his bluffing range, etc.

Like just shoving KQs because we block so many premiums and all his bluffs like Axs have huge equity vs us and oop we underrealize equity.

Woops my bad lol. Small sample size so cant really tell.

Don't think standard 50nl crew has a 3% 4bet and why I think it's a clear fold.

Pre is fine, just call the flop you'll often get a free turn. All the hands that have you beat is going to call your ship anyway

I thought flatting 4bets OOP was generally a no-no, or has that changed now and is acceptable more frequently?

Think about this specific case in the SB where some people 3bet a linear range. Are you really going to fold 75% of the time vs this sizing because you insist on 5betting or fold?

I wouldn't do it at 5nlz, but I've seen a lot more 4bet folding at 10nlz so it's something I'm going to toy with when I move back up.

Flop is generally bad unless you've intricately balanced this with the few value combos you should have

Flop is a total blank for us so not sure it can make much sense theory wise to be jamming on it. In terms of equity it probably can't be that bad with this hand since villain will fold at least sometimes. Pre is fine.