SB: $21.26 (42.5 bb)
BB: $63.92 (127.8 bb)
Hero (UTG): $50 (100 bb)
MP: $87.01 (174 bb)
CO: $50.76 (101.5 bb)
BTN: $64.65 (129.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K A
Hero raises to $1.50, MP calls $1.50, 4 folds

Flop: ($3.75) Q 3 T (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2.95, Hero calls $2.95

Turn: ($9.65) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $3.75, Hero folds

Villain is a 46/23 recreational who can change gears rapidly from one hand to the other. Sometimes he is spazzing completely and sometimes he can checkdown his air. I didnt have any reads yet because I just started the session.
Fold to cbet so far is 53 Flop and 47% on the turn.
I ddint know whether to go with my stats or with my reads in this case.

I feel like if you're going to put that money in on the flop anyway you're probably better firing.

Are there any hands with which you ever bet, then check-raise on this board? Not suggesting you should do it here, but if there are it makes bet, check better.

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How does our range matter when making an individual decision against a fish?

Because if we establish that we're willing to bet, check-fold in spots like this it makes the whole table more likely to float us/bet when we check the turn later.

I used to feel this way as well. It's an awful mindset though. If you think about it, you'll come up with a logical reason. I'm not a huge fan of balancing at lolmicros but flop c-betting is one of two or three spots in my game where I actually think about and apply it.

this is not that reason and is pretty bad reasoning.

I am not sure I like the call on the flop. Board is wet, and you checked first. Most of what is good for you would be good if they have broadway cards and are drawing to a straight. So, I would think that A,K (which are good for you) could be good for them. J9 are brutal on the turn. You don't have a made hand at all on the flop, wondering why you call here. What was your plan with the call for the turn if it was a blank, were you going to bet or check it down?

Against fish, my standard line is to bet flop, check / give up on turn. I kind of assume that most fish play fit or fold on the flop with a range that's too wide to begin with, and that a c-bet will work enough of the time for a bet to be +EV. Once a fish calls the flop, however, I assume they're not giving up on the turn with enough hands to keep firing unimproved.

I think checking flop is completely fine against someone more competent because this is a fairly good flop for their range and it's hard to find much that folds immediately.

So you expect that fish will adjust?
I am playing super exploitable vs fish and i dont think this is bad in any way.
I dont cbet too much vs fish in general though. Unless if they fold a lot over some sample obviously
I only think about how my range plays vs regs.

There is like literally no reason to worry about how your range plays vs a fish.
He will never adjust. He doesnt even know what game he is playing.
If you get owned by fish floats you just cbet too much (very common leak in micros btw)

I gave myself alot of Equity against his madehands and showdownvalue in general. I think fancy fish can bet extremely mergy even with that sizing because they dont know what they are doing.
If the turn did go xx then I would have checked the river again and decided whether to bluffcatch or not.

ez call turn, u have ~12% vs top pair, he can easily bet any draw and depending on fish type Ax/random bluff. If you hit anything you have significant implied odds as well since you he will have a hard time folding 2nd/3rd pair vs 1/3-1/2 pot. If fish stabs the majority of his air then c/c is better by far, rough guess maybe like 1/2 his air is close to breakeven vs cbetting. With given info its not going to be a massive ev difference between betting and checking.

And you should be! But that doesn't mean you should treat recs like they would be better off playing slots, and it certainly doesn't mean that you should turn yourself into a slot machine. Most poker players are trying to think about what their opponent is doing; it's what makes poker poker and why they aren't playing casino games.

You can't exploit everyone perfectly in all situations. You don't have the information. Like, if you have a note on this guy that says "checks back too many turns," by all means, never check-raising is a reasonable play. Most of the time you won't have that note. Most of the time you'l have something completely different, some idea of preflop play, and maybe one or two big postflop leaks that you're taking advantage of. So you need to do something else in the spots where you don't know anything.

That's where varying your play a little bit comes in. Not balancing, because we're really not concerned with frequencies. You're right that very few players think on that level, and mostly we should try not to play them anyway. But we don't want to make it too easy on the others.

One of the ways to do that is to make sure that we don't put them into positions where they don't have to think about what cards we have. One of the big things that makes fish fish is that they're terrible hand readers. Thinking about our cards makes them play worse. So if we get ourselves into a position where it's possible to predict our next action regardless of our cards, we're removing that very large advantage that we have.

So bet flop, check turn, fold loses a lot of value unless we have some other line somewhere that is bet flop, check turn, something else. And similarly, bet flop, check-raise turn loses a lot of value if we never bet flop, check-fold.

I bet flop. C/C Kx or Ax turns. Otherwise x/fold turn.

I would bet a straight on turn, since fish dont exploit us.

Once you checked flop I cant see problems in just check / folding.

I either believe that my cbet is profitable or i dont. I dont care about my range vs a fish and neither does he.

They would be better off playing slots as they would have a less negative EV there. Most fishes dont even last enough hands on my limits to ever get a remotely accurate picture of how much i bet turns given that they would ever be capable of accurately assessing it.
Your whole argument is saying that fishes will adjust in a kind of useful /meaningful manner which they just wont. They might think "oh he bet the last 5 flops he cant have it this time". Its not like they can put actions into perspective on flop textures or whatever. Like i said they dont even know what game they are playing. And I am definitely waaay more loss-making to a fish than any slot machine.

However I am also not cbetting 80% vs fish like a lot of people here seem to do. Maybe once in a while one of them will start to play back in some weird ways when he sees you betting every flop.

Still if you do this you are just cbetting too much and its not the problem that the fishes adjusts its that you have a leak. A lot of fishes actually make good money out of people cbetting them 80% to give up most turns.

To summarize this in a little player classification of players in microstakes:
While players will occassionally adjust to your preflop frequencies (like if you 3bet them a ton) most people on micros dont have the capabilities to adjust in useful ways too your postflop plays.

80/5 Whale - definitely not adjusting
45/2 fish - never adjusting
Recreational 30/10 player - still not adjusting
18/15 Nitreg - also not adjusting
Every other reg - might adjust to your postflop tendencies but is very unlikely to do so

Most people on micros dont think about your range and or playstyle... or they make huge mistakes in trying to do so. Because if they would, they wouldn't be stuck on micros.

Hence -> no thinking about range -> no adjustments