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07-24-2017 , 03:24 PM
V is unknown, therfore no info. After V raises my flop bet, I decided just to call to keep his (semi)bluffs in his range since we are pretty deepstacked. I expect that V would 3bet PF QQ+. So he should not have many strong made hands OTF.

After checking turn on a blank card my plan was it go for a x/r as I did, to get value from draws (probably I should choose a bigger betsize) and not allow V a free card.

After V calls and the river completes the flush I have decided to fold to his shove since V´s line to x/c my turn x/r and then shove the river, I expect that he has the flush with a high frequency. I do not see him doing that with other hands (maybe a bricked straight with JT). Imo if he slowplayed PF QQ/KK he would gii on the turn.

Would you fold here respective also stack sizes ?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 242.36 BB
SB: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 22.92, PFR: 17.19, 3Bet Preflop: 3.75, Hands: 196)
BB: 212.2 BB (VPIP: 31.71, PFR: 24.39, 3Bet Preflop: 21.43, Hands: 41)
UTG: 201.48 BB (VPIP: 18.80, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 2.13, Hands: 137)
Hero (MP): 206.88 BB
CO: 124.2 BB (VPIP: 15.84, PFR: 11.88, 3Bet Preflop: 4.26, Hands: 105)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K Q

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) K 3 Q
BB checks, Hero bets 7 BB, BTN raises to 18 BB, fold, Hero calls 11 BB

Turn: (45.4 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BTN bets 22 BB, Hero raises to 65.68 BB, BTN calls 43.68 BB

River: (176.76 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN bets 155.68 BB and is all-in, fold,
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07-24-2017 , 03:55 PM
I think it's pretty well played but I would consider calling turn, you don't want to lose him with a FD. V roughly doing the math he has 3:1 so theoretically he should be folding his FD / SD on the turn.

When someone just donk jams this river, it just seems like in my experience they always have it so I don't mind the fold at all. when you call I expect you are losing much more than the odds are giving u on a call easily.
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07-25-2017 , 01:31 AM
looks fine
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07-25-2017 , 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by AUSkid89
I would consider calling turn, you don't want to lose him with a FD.
vs a REG I would just call the turn. This guy was 1-tabling, so probably a rec. So I do not expect that he will look at the pot odds if it is profitable to draw or not. I think even if I would choose a bigger size for the turn x/r that he would call.
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07-25-2017 , 04:45 AM
I don't like it but I can't put my finger on why. I think it's the x/r after getting x/raised. I'm not exactly thrilled playing for 400bbs with top 2 pair, so I'm probably just flatting turn.
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07-25-2017 , 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Rikk
I don't like it but I can't put my finger tuhy. I think it's the x/r after getting x/raised. I'm not exactly thrilled playing for 400bbs with top 2 pair, so I'm probably just flatting turn.
I think it depends from the board and the PF action. Until the turn which hands do you think V can have that crushes our 2pair ? As said my assumption was that he would 3bet PF QQ+. And beside of that we have pretty good blockers. Lets assume he has a set (KK/QQ/33), do you really think he will make a 1/2 PSB on the turn ?
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07-25-2017 , 05:14 AM
I would not raise turn. I think river fold is fine
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07-25-2017 , 05:17 AM
Only 33 in his range I would imagine, but we're kinda forced to snap off a shove OTT and when V does that I'm not feeling great about it. As I say, I'm not sure but it doesnt feellike the best line.

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07-25-2017 , 05:40 AM
He shouldn't have a raising range on this flop so his range ends up being draws and 33. The small turn sizing throws me a little. I think we get in some gross spots raising here since villain will always play close to perfect with this stack depth by flatting everything and having easy river decisions.
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07-25-2017 , 05:49 AM
Also, if you flat turn you can call rivers and get to SD without putting much more into the pot than when you 3b. That sounded confusing, what I mean is you put 65bb in on turn, if you called 22bb, and he 3/4 river your only spending an additional 25ish bb to see a showdown rather than have to fold. The way you played it, he could of bluffed you off with JhTx or AhTx.

If the river bricks off you can raise his bet then
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07-25-2017 , 06:44 AM
x/r somewhat depolarised versus a very polarised range isn't great, as it leaves you in a sticky situation when 3B and you make it super easy for villain. If you think villain is raising with draws only, 3Bing the flop makes more sense, not that I would be able to say with enough confidence that villain does this because they're one tabling.
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07-25-2017 , 08:40 AM
Im not sure about turn raise,but AP-river jam looks like cool move.When harts hit river this is the worst hand we can have and when we jam we turn his KQ and 33 int a bluff catchers.
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