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Old 07-17-2017, 10:12 AM   #1
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NL25 Broadway Vs Loose passive villain, river spot

Hey guys, first post in this section:

loose passive calling station V, seen him make some questionable plays like what seemed like a value raise after hitting top pair on the river on a straight and flush board after floating flop and turn.

Rest of the hand apart from river is pretty standard imo, maybe could cbet the flop with blockers and gutshot? what u think?

PokerStars - €0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 112 BB (VPIP: 22.58, PFR: 14.75, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 440)
CO: 90.48 BB (VPIP: 33.80, PFR: 1.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 72)
BTN: 121.36 BB (VPIP: 19.28, PFR: 11.21, 3Bet Preflop: 3.26, Hands: 227)
Hero (SB): 93.4 BB
BB: 56.56 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 13.49, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 130)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J A

fold, CO calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 4.48 BB, BB calls 3.48 BB, CO calls 3.48 BB

Flop: (13.44 BB, 3 players) Q 6 K
Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks

Turn: (13.44 BB, 3 players) T
Hero bets 9.56 BB, fold, CO calls 9.56 BB

River: (32.56 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero bets 18.52 BB, CO raises to 37.04 BB, Hero ??


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Old 07-17-2017, 10:28 AM   #2
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Re: NL25 Broadway Vs Loose passive villain, river spot

I am value betting river for around 2/3 pot.
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:34 AM   #3
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I am value betting river for around 2/3 pot.
screwed up the hand, posted rest of river...
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:41 AM   #4
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Re: NL25 Broadway Vs Loose passive villain, river spot

Hand looks WP if you call river. Betting flop is a mistake with 2 left to act, turn/river sizing looks good.

Against a loose/passive villain you are beat a bunch here, but bad players will also show up with Qx/J9/AJ enough to make this a call IMO.
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:54 AM   #5
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NL25 Broadway Vs Loose passive villain, river spot

i think the way the hand played out, we can eliminate Kx hands from his range, his turn check calling range mostly contains draws/combo draws, QT, a weak Tx/Qx is the only 1 pair hand i think.

I think J9 he gives more action on the turn

On the river i think we get called by some of the weaker 1 pair hands including Tx combo draws and some weak Qx
and we get raised by J9, some Qx 1 pairs and combo draws and of cours boats.

Bet fold a possibility?

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Old 07-17-2017, 11:14 AM   #6
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Re: NL25 Broadway Vs Loose passive villain, river spot

Welcome to the micro forum mate, hope your challenge goes well.

Wouldn't bet flop, BB has quite a broadway concentrated range after calling squeeze and limp/call has lots of hands that will call so we don't have much fold equity.

I'd bet/fold 2/3 pot OTR, obvs versus a min-raise I'm calling. Fish can do this with a pretty merged range consisting of Qx/Kx etc, trivial call imo.
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Old 07-17-2017, 11:35 AM   #7
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Re: NL25 Broadway Vs Loose passive villain, river spot

I cbet this board close to 100% of our range because we have a rangeadvantage on this texture. In this particular hand we have the A , a gutshot and an overcard which might be good if we hit. All 1 pair hands of our opponent will have a very tough time to continue multiple streets, especially if its 3way.

Loose passive stations come in all shapes and sizes, one station givesup OTR and another continues to calldown anything.

Therefore id be carefull to start barreling against such players, with this particular hand, i would barrel, we can continue to pressurize on any A/J/T and any .

River: call of course, cant do much else for this prize. He could exploit us if we start folding nut straight vs minraises.
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Old 07-17-2017, 06:09 PM   #8
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I cbet this board close to 100% of our range because we have a rangeadvantage on this texture. In this particular hand we have the A , a gutshot and an overcard which might be good if we hit. All 1 pair hands of our opponent will have a very tough time to continue multiple streets, especially if its 3way.

Loose passive stations come in all shapes and sizes, one station givesup OTR and another continues to calldown anything.

Therefore id be carefull to start barreling against such players, with this particular hand, i would barrel, we can continue to pressurize on any A/J/T and any .

River: call of course, cant do much else for this prize. He could exploit us if we start folding nut straight vs minraises.


Agreed, looking back at it specially with the As cbet looks good. I also agree with the call on the end, think his value range still contains more Qx,J9



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Old 07-17-2017, 06:10 PM   #9
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Re: NL25 Broadway Vs Loose passive villain, river spot

At the end I made the call and he showed TT


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Old 07-17-2017, 06:13 PM   #10
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Welcome to the micro forum mate, hope your challenge goes well.

Wouldn't bet flop, BB has quite a broadway concentrated range after calling squeeze and limp/call has lots of hands that will call so we don't have much fold equity.

I'd bet/fold 2/3 pot OTR, obvs versus a min-raise I'm calling. Fish can do this with a pretty merged range consisting of Qx/Kx etc, trivial call imo.


Thanks man, NL25 Broadway Vs Loose passive villain, river spotNL25 Broadway Vs Loose passive villain, river spotwill be a fun ride I'm sure!

He did min-raise and I made the call NL25 Broadway Vs Loose passive villain, river spot TT


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Old 07-17-2017, 06:16 PM   #11
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Re: NL25 Broadway Vs Loose passive villain, river spot

game theory wise you have to call this river but in reality you can fold a decent amount of the time
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Old 07-17-2017, 06:17 PM   #12
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Re: NL25 Broadway Vs Loose passive villain, river spot

Bet flop. They don't have many Qx/Kx in their ranges, especially the limper. Lots of cards to double barrel and can't really c/c this Ace-high to any significant bet.

Easy fold otr. Chopping or losing and AJ raises turn.
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NL25 Broadway Vs Loose passive villain, river spot

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game theory wise you have to call this river but in reality you can fold a decent amount of the time


Yep, I was flipping a coin in my head, I wanted to fold but thought that it's probably -EV vs these guys who overplay a lot of spots where they should have a much more polarized range.


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Yep, I was flipping a coin in my head, I wanted to fold but thought that it's probably -EV vs these guys who overplay a lot of spots where they should have a much more polarized range.


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really dont sweat it. these decision that we agonize about are very close decisions. the answer is maybe.

id bet then insta fold vs my opponents but your mileage may vary.

fwiw id bet a lot on that river because that queen hit him a lot, and you have better than that. so just bomb it then fold
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Old 07-17-2017, 07:52 PM   #15
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Re: NL25 Broadway Vs Loose passive villain, river spot

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Bet flop. They don't have many Qx/Kx in their ranges, especially the limper. Lots of cards to double barrel and can't really c/c this Ace-high to any significant bet.
Interesting. Obv it depends on flop action but I take it you're barreling A, K, T, spade turns generally?

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Easy fold otr. Chopping or losing and AJ raises turn.
Like, it can't be THAT easy. We only need ~16% equity to break even on a call, and while I don't think a fish is ever bluffing here, it's not a given that villain understands the relative strength of his hand given the action.
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Old 07-17-2017, 07:57 PM   #16
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Interesting. Obv it depends on flop action but I take it you're barreling A, K, T, spade turns generally?



Like, it can't be THAT easy. We only need ~16% equity to break even on a call, and while I don't think a fish is ever bluffing here, it's not a given that villain understands the relative strength of his hand given the action.
First part: checking an ace and board pairing things. Barreling everything else. 3-barreling if a spade shows up ott or otr.

Second part: yeah, THAT easy. why do I think this? Look at what he showed up with. These passive fish won't even raise TTT on that turn. Passive fish shows aggression on the river of a board that favors our range = nutty hand.
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Second part: yeah, THAT easy. why do I think this? Look at what he showed up with. These passive fish won't even raise TTT on that turn. Passive fish shows aggression on the river of a board that favors our range = nutty hand.
Well I mean, yeah, knowing the results definitely does make it a lot easier to narrow down what this specific villain shows up with in this specific hand. But without it, we don't know if he's the type of villain to flat TT on the turn or the type to call any pair and raise when he makes trips.
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:11 PM   #18
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But without it, we don't know if he's the type of villain to flat TT on the turn or the type to call any pair and raise when he makes trips.
He's described as a l/p station in the OP. I don't think it's results oriented at all.
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Fair enough!
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