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NL10 - facing 3bet OOP with A4s street by street NL10 - facing 3bet OOP with A4s street by street

07-20-2017 , 04:50 PM
NL10 Unibet

Villain unknown - no auto top up available on site so no read there. No reads on blinds either.


UTG $11.05
MP $10
CO - hero $10.30
Btn - villain $9.66
SB $10.75
BB $12.35

Hero A4

***PREFLOP***

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, btn raises to $0.90, fold, fold, hero...


What's your default play and if 4betting, to what size?
NL10 - facing 3bet OOP with A4s street by street Quote
07-20-2017 , 06:46 PM
I would just fold until I get more hands on BTN. If I was gonna 4bet, I would raise to 23bb.
NL10 - facing 3bet OOP with A4s street by street Quote
07-20-2017 , 06:49 PM
Fold until we know he is light. If to 4bet then usually slightly more than 2x the 3bet, so Ł2 seems good
NL10 - facing 3bet OOP with A4s street by street Quote
07-20-2017 , 08:35 PM
Without any reads on villain here, I would fold.
NL10 - facing 3bet OOP with A4s street by street Quote
07-21-2017 , 04:55 AM
4bet around 21-23BB.Just because V is unknown donst mean we should play like nit and skip good chance to make good 4 bet bluff imo.
Post flop bet if you hit some kidn of BDFD orFD or GS.I m not sure how should we play on A high flops.
NL10 - facing 3bet OOP with A4s street by street Quote
07-21-2017 , 09:28 AM
Tend to 4bet to 23-24 BBs OOP to a 3x 3bet. Could be leak if I am 4bet reasonably balanced, too high?
Flop comes Ace high...


UTG $11.05
MP $10
CO - hero $10.30
Btn - villain $9.66
SB $10.75
BB $12.35

Hero A4

***PREFLOP***

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, btn raises to $0.90, fold, fold, hero raises to $2.36, btn calls $1.46

***FLOP***

Pot $4.87

68A

hero...

Last edited by tomj; 07-21-2017 at 09:40 AM.
NL10 - facing 3bet OOP with A4s street by street Quote
07-21-2017 , 10:43 AM
X/c flop.
NL10 - facing 3bet OOP with A4s street by street Quote
07-21-2017 , 12:54 PM
X/C flop as well
NL10 - facing 3bet OOP with A4s street by street Quote
07-21-2017 , 02:21 PM
Easy check flop. Pre you should have cca 60:40 value:bluff, can easily check whether your range is balanced.
NL10 - facing 3bet OOP with A4s street by street Quote
07-21-2017 , 03:15 PM
My default play is to fold. A4s is not a good hand to 4B OOP. Obviously if villain either folds or shoves, the decision is easy. The problem comes in when/if you start getting flatted. A hand like A4s will be a nightmare to play OOP. A much better hand to bluff would be 89s,9Ts. These hands tend to retain their equity better than A4s and PoF play will be more straight forward. It's probably a better decision to not 4B a bluff range at 10NL. I don't think you gain very much by 4B bluffing 10NL. Start thinking about it after you plug all your more costly leaks.
NL10 - facing 3bet OOP with A4s street by street Quote
07-21-2017 , 03:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alci
My default play is to fold. A4s is not a good hand to 4B OOP. Obviously if villain either folds or shoves, the decision is easy. The problem comes in when/if you start getting flatted. A hand like A4s will be a nightmare to play OOP. A much better hand to bluff would be 89s,9Ts. These hands tend to retain their equity better than A4s and PoF play will be more straight forward. It's probably a better decision to not 4B a bluff range at 10NL. I don't think you gain very much by 4B bluffing 10NL. Start thinking about it after you plug all your more costly leaks.
This isn't true. A4s has Ace blocker and has decent playability in addition to decent equity against calling range. The problem with it is that it's often dominated on A flops. A4s is a better 4bet bluff than 98s most of the time.
NL10 - facing 3bet OOP with A4s street by street Quote
07-21-2017 , 03:52 PM
Fold PF, but 4-betting is fine if you know the villain isn't a fish. I'd probably 4-bet around $2.00-$2.25 or so if we do choose to 4-bet.

As played, I c/c flop. I assume we're checking things like JJ (if it 4-bets PF), QQ-KK here, so we need Ax in our c/c range occasionally.

I guess the other option is to bet twice if we think we can fold things like AJs-AQs at some point, but it doesn't feel right to me. I'm not sure if we have much of a range advantage here -- we can have AA and will have AK more than villain, but villain has 66, 88 more often than we do; we also have all these low 4-bet bluff Ax's in our range which makes it difficult for villain to fold better. Plus, AJs-AQs is only 4 combos here.

My default is to c/c flop c/f turn.
NL10 - facing 3bet OOP with A4s street by street Quote
07-21-2017 , 04:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shamway99
Easy check flop. Pre you should have cca 60:40 value:bluff, can easily check whether your range is balanced.
preflop

value: QQ+, AKs, AKo which is 34 combos

bluffs: A5s-A2s which is 16 combos, so we could also bluff 9Ts and 89s for a further 8 combos for about a 60:40 value:bluff ratio.
not sure if a Kxs is better here because it blocks his jamming range though. 9Ts isn't a horrible flat here either imo.

what is cca?
NL10 - facing 3bet OOP with A4s street by street Quote
07-21-2017 , 04:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alci
My default play is to fold. A4s is not a good hand to 4B OOP. Obviously if villain either folds or shoves, the decision is easy. The problem comes in when/if you start getting flatted. A hand like A4s will be a nightmare to play OOP. A much better hand to bluff would be 89s,9Ts. These hands tend to retain their equity better than A4s and PoF play will be more straight forward. It's probably a better decision to not 4B a bluff range at 10NL. I don't think you gain very much by 4B bluffing 10NL. Start thinking about it after you plug all your more costly leaks.
Villains in general have 3bet bluffing ranges so aren't we getting auto exploited if we never bluff?
NL10 - facing 3bet OOP with A4s street by street Quote
07-21-2017 , 04:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesBJames
Fold PF, but 4-betting is fine if you know the villain isn't a fish. I'd probably 4-bet around $2.00-$2.25 or so if we do choose to 4-bet.

As played, I c/c flop. I assume we're checking things like JJ (if it 4-bets PF), QQ-KK here, so we need Ax in our c/c range occasionally.

I guess the other option is to bet twice if we think we can fold things like AJs-AQs at some point, but it doesn't feel right to me. I'm not sure if we have much of a range advantage here -- we can have AA and will have AK more than villain, but villain has 66, 88 more often than we do; we also have all these low 4-bet bluff Ax's in our range which makes it difficult for villain to fold better. Plus, AJs-AQs is only 4 combos here.

My default is to c/c flop c/f turn.
I think we'd have to be careful how to play the top end of our range in this case because we don't stack off with KK-QQ (JJ I flat unless I want to widen value range vs certain villain) or a weak Ax then we need to check some AK,AA (I also flat AQ pre default) or we just get run over on turns. Just don't really like checking AK,AA here when ranges are strong and the SPR is such that we should be stacking always.

Last edited by tomj; 07-21-2017 at 04:40 PM.
NL10 - facing 3bet OOP with A4s street by street Quote
07-21-2017 , 04:38 PM
Turn...


UTG $11.05
MP $10
CO - hero $10.30
Btn - villain $9.66
SB $10.75
BB $12.35

Hero A4

***PREFLOP***

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, btn raises to $0.90, fold, fold, hero raises to $2.36, btn calls $1.46

***FLOP***

Pot $4.87

68A

hero checks, btn checks

***TURN***

68A7


Betting has more merit here I think, more to protect against and 4 weak straight outs. Hate getting jammed on but if did choose to check flop with some strong hands then its probably ok.
NL10 - facing 3bet OOP with A4s street by street Quote

      
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