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Old 05-19-2017, 04:01 PM   #1
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Creating a 3bet Range From Button

I am looking for some help creating a polarized 3bet range from the button vs different types of opponents. I got started with the image below. Are there hands I'm missing or hands that I should remove? I'm currently 3betting 9.8% of the time from the button and looking through my hand history I'm incorporating enough bluffs. All feedback is appreciated.

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Old 05-19-2017, 05:56 PM   #2
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Re: Creating a 3bet Range From Button

why are you choosing 32s to 3bet instead of A2s?
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:14 PM   #3
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why are you choosing 32s to 3bet instead of A2s?
A2 gets dominated by a lot of most peoples 3bet flatting range. That said if you have a good reason to include it I am down to add it to my game.

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Old 05-19-2017, 06:52 PM   #4
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Re: Creating a 3bet Range From Button

It's more important to get 3B ranges vs positions rather than villains first, then adapt them to villains. Read this post on optimal 3b/4b/5b ranges, helped me construct mine and my understanding http://en.donkr.com/Articles/optimal...x---part-1-329. It's very long, but definitely worth it and at the end adds on how to adapt to players who aren't playing optimally such as your labels above.
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:01 PM   #5
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It's more important to get 3B ranges vs positions rather than villains first, then adapt them to villains. Read this post on optimal 3b/4b/5b ranges, helped me construct mine and my understanding http://en.donkr.com/Articles/optimal...x---part-1-329. It's very long, but definitely worth it and at the end adds on how to adapt to players who aren't playing optimally such as your labels above.
Thanks!

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Old 05-20-2017, 05:51 AM   #6
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A2 gets dominated by a lot of most peoples 3bet flatting range. That said if you have a good reason to include it I am down to add it to my game.

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I'd say when you hit a pair with 32 you're more likely dominated than with A2 right? The point is you can hit an A with A2 and get a cheap showdown to beat his pocket pairs, you can't do that with 32s. Besides the fact you make flushes and two pairs which are harder to 'counterfit'/be dominated.
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Old 05-20-2017, 06:49 AM   #7
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Re: Creating a 3bet Range From Button

Could accept some linear ranges like the first line. I would like to have more suited hands in liner range but not big problem.
Cannot accept range consisting only of weak connectors and no value hand.
3b 99 against TAG is optimistic.
Some ranges are unbalanced e.g. against TAG on the overbluff side.
Why the hell dont you 3b AA KK?
Your ranges lack Axs which are great bluffs and have too many sc.

Give more time and effort to your 3b pre, sorry as first attempt it is good but there is some work to do.
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Old 05-20-2017, 06:54 AM   #8
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Re: Creating a 3bet Range From Button

Meh maybe I misread the ranges, the first line could be you always 3b TT+ AQ+ for value.
If so then think whether AQ TT are really valuehands against early open.
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Old 05-20-2017, 08:47 AM   #9
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Meh maybe I misread the ranges, the first line could be you always 3b TT+ AQ+ for value.
If so then think whether AQ TT are really valuehands against early open.
Appreciate the feedback. AA and KK are value opena vs all. Agree aq and tt might nees to be reevaluated.

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Old 05-20-2017, 09:49 AM   #10
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Re: Creating a 3bet Range From Button

OK now the ranges make more sense. As somebody mentioned positions make more dif than V types. Even a loose player have tighter range on UTG than a TAG on CO.

You might want to create your 3b against a range rather than a player, then you can very well do with 3 or 4 ranges against 15%-20%-25%-30% on btn. Or make only two against 15%(early) and 25%(CO) and adjust in game for loose/tight type V.

When constructing polarised range start with selecting hands for value. With 3b polarised, valuehands must be strong enough to 5b Shove pre. It gives you the number of bluffs, keep the balance somewhere between 50% bluff to 60% bluff pre.
Then you only select best hands for bluff to fill the desired number of bluff combos, good candidates are always low Axs, strong Axo that you dont want to call (might be AQo against strong range) suited connectors or suited broadways.
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