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AK 3bet on river AK 3bet on river

07-27-2017 , 03:36 PM
-only 20hands on villain but looking reg-ish
-I don't think there are hands I can get value from on the this river and I am behind both villain's calling range if I shove, and villain's shoving range.

    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37800099

    BTN: $5.14 (102.8 bb)
    Hero (SB): $5.16 (103.2 bb)
    BB: $5 (100 bb)
    UTG: $11 (220 bb)
    MP: $7.95 (159 bb)
    CO: $10.61 (212.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K A
    2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.50, BB folds, CO calls $0.35

    Flop: ($1.05) A 9 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.60, CO calls $0.60

    Turn: ($2.25) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.30, CO calls $1.30

    River: ($4.85) T (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $8.21, Hero folds




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    07-28-2017 , 10:45 AM
    Looks fine. You could consider a small bet on the river but it's probably too thin with both the straight and flush completing.
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    07-28-2017 , 10:50 AM
    Yeah Villain is hardly ever double pot shoving river at 5NL with bluffs, TPTK is probably pretty crushed on this run out. I also like the idea of a small bet/fold otr but how about a larger sizing on the turn? AP - Eyeroll fold.
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    07-28-2017 , 11:19 AM
    Turn is missplayed.AK is pretty dam close to the nuts ott,so either c/jam or jam yourself and use some of draws as bluff.
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    07-28-2017 , 11:52 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
    Turn is missplayed.AK is pretty dam close to the nuts ott,so either c/jam or jam yourself and use some of draws as bluff.
    Jamming 2x pot OTT must surely be a mistake when V has sets/2p in his range. I like x/jam though.

    I think the river overbet is confusing people. Hero only has like $2.70 left? Seems close between call/fold for me, probably leaning towards call.
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    07-28-2017 , 12:03 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rikk
    Jamming 2x pot OTT must surely be a mistake when V has sets/2p in his range.
    Jam is not a mistake
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    07-28-2017 , 12:09 PM
    Okay haha but it feels like it lets V play his range perfectly to me. I can't imagine too many AQ or draws calling in that spot.
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    07-28-2017 , 12:30 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
    Turn is missplayed.AK is pretty dam close to the nuts ott,so either c/jam or jam yourself and use some of draws as bluff.
    Why do we need to over bet nutted combos?
    Btw we should / could have 57s,89s,88,99.
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    07-28-2017 , 01:21 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
    Turn is missplayed.AK is pretty dam close to the nuts ott,so either c/jam or jam yourself and use some of draws as bluff.
    Villain can have A9s, 88,99,89s and depending on there strat A8s,A9s and 75s. Far from nuts OTT especially when the 6 is good for his range.
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    07-28-2017 , 02:56 PM
    Over bet jam is not my idea.Solver jams with like 90 % of AK combos.
    V should raise a lot of two pairs and sets otf given the board,even if he slow palys them all the time it jams AK like 80 % so it dose not care about that.
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    07-28-2017 , 06:02 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
    Over bet jam is not my idea.Solver jams with like 90 % of AK combos.
    V should raise a lot of two pairs and sets otf given the board,even if he slow palys them all the time it jams AK like 80 % so it dose not care about that.
    Damn that seems so odd to me but can't argue with that I guess.
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    07-28-2017 , 06:32 PM
    Yes its is was weird for me as well,but he needs to call of with all combos of AQ and that is all ready 8 combos that we beat plus some AJs ATs and all of those hands have something like 6 % of equity vs AK and there is only max 8 combos of sets and two pairs,so we probably have more then 50 % of equity vs his calling range plus he folds a ton and we pick up whole pot in that case and he is forced to fold some really strong draws.
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    07-29-2017 , 03:38 AM
    Haizemberg stop doing meth and if you gonna pluck hands into solver and post here you might as well not post.


    I put this into solver and solver told me to get a job . Guys nothing to do here we need to get a job .
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    07-29-2017 , 05:47 AM
    Remember that when a solver jams the solver is bluff jamming as well. But yeah, overbets are apparently the tits now and I'm back to being a twelve year old boy who admires but doesn't really understand how to use them.
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    07-29-2017 , 07:13 AM
    Note that it is not overbet otr due to eff stacks. But Td is bad runout dont mind fold.
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    07-29-2017 , 08:32 AM
    My thoughts:
    I would bet turn slightly bigger, say $1.50 to charge his draws and weaker top pairs and make his call river shove easier.. then I'd shove river. Overbet shove turn is likely profitable as well although maybe he gets away from some weaker Ax hands when we do. If we plan to shove river, conservatively, I think his turn call range is (73 combos)...

    ThTs, ThTc, TsTc, 9h9s, 9h9c, 9s9c, 8d8s, 8d8c, 8s8c, 75s, AsKs, AhQh, AsQs, KdQd, AhJh, AsJs, KdJd, QdJd, AhTh, AsTs, JhTh, JsTs, JcTc, Ah9h, As9s, Jh9h, Js9s, Jc9c, Th9h, Ts9s, Tc9c, As8s, 9s8s, 9c8c, Ah7h, As7s, Th7h, Ts7s, Tc7c, 8d7d, Ah6h, 8d6d, 8c6c, 7d6d, Ah5h, 6d5d, Ah4h, Ah3h, Ah2h, AhKd, AhKs, AhKc, AsKd, AsKc, AhQd, AhQs, AhQc, AsQd, AsQh, AsQc, AhJd, AhJs, AhJc, AsJd, AsJh, AsJc, AhTs, AhTc, AsTh, AsTc (equilab)

    and his river call range is (67 combos)...

    ThTs, ThTc, TsTc, 9h9s, 9h9c, 9s9c, 8d8s, 8d8c, 8s8c, 75s, AsKs, AhQh, AsQs, KdQd, AhJh, AsJs, KdJd, QdJd, AhTh, AsTs, Ah9h, As9s, Th9h, Ts9s, Tc9c, As8s, 9s8s, 9c8c, Ah7h, As7s, Th7h, Ts7s, Tc7c, 8d7d, Ah6h, 8d6d, 8c6c, 7d6d, Ah5h, 6d5d, Ah4h, Ah3h, Ah2h, AhKd, AhKs, AhKc, AsKd, AsKc, AhQd, AhQs, AhQc, AsQd, AsQh, AsQc, AhJd, AhJs, AhJc, AsJd, AsJh, AsJc, AhTs, AhTc, AsTh, AsTc (equilab)

    So he's folding 6 combos (JTs and J9s). Say we bet turn as you did that leaves us $2.76 river shove into $4.85. AcKh vs his river call range = 34.36%.

    EV of river shove = +$1.14

    We can discount some 2pairs, sets and straights on the turn and probably some of his draws, if he plays them aggressively, which makes this even more profitable. I don't like checking river, I don't think there's any air or enough missed draws that he stabs to make it better than shoving.
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