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AK, 3bet pot, facing shove OTF AK, 3bet pot, facing shove OTF

04-11-2014 , 04:24 PM
Is this one a snap? We don't block FD combos so I thought he could be doing it with that, as well as maybe worse Kx. 99 definitely in his range but he'd have to be a bit ******ed to play a set like this when he has position on me.

Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 200.1 BB (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 28.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 50)
UTG: 40 BB (VPIP: 5.26, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
CO: 93.4 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

fold, fold, BTN raises to 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 11 BB, fold, BTN calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (23 BB, 2 players) 4 K 9
Hero bets 11.5 BB, BTN raises to 89 BB, Hero calls 77.5 BB

Turn: (201 BB, 2 players) 7

River: (201 BB, 2 players) 4
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04-11-2014 , 04:33 PM
Yes calling is fine
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04-11-2014 , 08:34 PM
Snap- close to top of our range, would call a lot wider until i had reads.
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04-12-2014 , 12:08 AM
We've only got 10 hands on this guy so i'm hoping you guys aren't basing your snap calls based off that, I think we'll see AA more often than KQ- here
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04-12-2014 , 12:17 AM
The fact that villain or pot opened the button inclined me to think he's an idiot. His flop shove also screams fold, sure he'll have a set/AA/K9 here sometimes, but given he's an unknown I can also see him having AXdd/FD+gut draws, hell I've seen some tards show up with Kx here.

Not a fist pump but I'm happy calling.
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04-12-2014 , 07:00 PM
call flop is good
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04-12-2014 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Baron
The fact that villain or pot opened the button inclined me to think he's an idiot. His flop shove also screams fold, sure he'll have a set/AA/K9 here sometimes, but given he's an unknown I can also see him having AXdd/FD+gut draws, hell I've seen some tards show up with Kx here.

Not a fist pump but I'm happy calling.
Actually opening for pot on BTN is good, depending on who you talk to, so I wouldn't make a read like that based on style.
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04-12-2014 , 10:19 PM
Call for misclick equity

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04-12-2014 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by lambo4bkfast
We've only got 10 hands on this guy so i'm hoping you guys aren't basing your snap calls based off that, I think we'll see AA more often than KQ- here
+1 this is exactly AA everytime. I'll give you guys the golden tip that's served me well for many years. Until you have AT LEAST 100 hands on someone we should fold at ANY sign of aggression, think about it, they don't have hands on YOU either, do you think they would bluff an unknown?
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04-12-2014 , 10:27 PM
Snapcalling

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04-13-2014 , 09:11 AM
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******ed to play a set like this when he has position on me.
2 diamonds on board, not usually a good time to be slowplaying set

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opening for pot on BTN is good
standard size, unless you sat in the wrong seat and like winning small pots

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Hero raises to 11 BB
too small, I 3bet OOP no less then 14bbs, with the intention of juicing as much as I can vs the low F3B that is standard nowadays make them pay to see flops
but anyhow, he called your 3B his range looks something like this 22-AA,AJ+,KJs+,QJs+KQ,s-conn 8 hi and up. your AK has
79% EV vs that range, we subtract hands on the flop that would not raise with, so if we can leave in 44,99,KK+,AK,KJ,QJd,JTd, we now drop to 55% EV and we are happy to get our stacks in.....

When we play unknowns we need to understand combinatrics, ranges and equity, as long as you keep making those +EV plays you're golden....
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04-13-2014 , 09:34 AM
Da fuq with the guys saying opening pot OTB is good. Please explain why.
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04-13-2014 , 09:51 AM
You cant fold because there are lots of FD and gutshots and Kx and the list goes on and on in his range. He might be even doing this thinking u have a pocket pair and using the K as a scare card.

Bottom line is there are more hands u beat than those that have u beat.
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04-13-2014 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by lambo4bkfast
I think we'll see AA more often than KQ- here
the **** are you talking about
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Originally Posted by Red Baron
Da fuq with the guys saying opening pot OTB is good. Please explain why.
more money in pot + position, is their argument, which makes sense and it's not exactly rocket science to figure out... I used to be against 2x opening otb for a long time, and still believe it's pretty dumb to do at 25nl and lower. But i'm sure plenty of arguments can be made to 3x (or bigger) whereever.

In the end it depends on what range you're opening and other factors, before reads start to play a roll. One thing I did notice is that at zoom in particular people aren't adjusting properly to smaller opens.

Last edited by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.); 04-13-2014 at 10:35 AM.
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04-13-2014 , 05:03 PM
range flop villain to raise : AA-sets 70% ,draws 30%
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04-13-2014 , 05:40 PM
^ :-)
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