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50NL: BvB 3bet pot against very good reg 50NL: BvB 3bet pot against very good reg

08-20-2017 , 09:12 PM
PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): $72.56
BB: $89.71 (VPIP: 24.93, PFR: 21.60, 3Bet Preflop: 9.45, Hands: 1,185)
CO: $50.00 (VPIP: 18.60, PFR: 11.63, 3Bet Preflop: 6.48, Hands: 306)
BTN: $35.36 (VPIP: 17.30, PFR: 10.27, 3Bet Preflop: 6.85, Hands: 191)

Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has Q K

fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $5.50, Hero calls $4.00

Flop: ($11.00, 2 players) J J 7
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: ($11.00, 2 players) T
Hero checks, BB bets $7.84, Hero calls $7.84

River: ($26.68, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BB bets $17.50, hero???

Villain is very good reg, had been 3 betting me in position occasionally, but not abusing it. I would imagine A high would check behind here...Whats your play on turn and river?
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08-20-2017 , 09:17 PM
Any idea what he thinks of your showdown-bound-ness? Any chance he's betting this big for value against ace high?

Absent that, I'm inclined to hero call here, because he basically can't have showdown value and less than TT.

ETA: Looking at this again, I really don't like check-call on the turn very much. You're pretty faceup.
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08-20-2017 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Tapirboy
Any idea what he thinks of your showdown-bound-ness? Any chance he's betting this big for value against ace high?

Absent that, I'm inclined to hero call here, because he basically can't have showdown value and less than TT.

ETA: Looking at this again, I really don't like check-call on the turn very much. You're pretty faceup.
So you just chk/fold the turn?!?? That seems kind of insane to me with all that equity. Maybe bet the turn?

I don't really see him checking 1010 on the flop either... I feel like a large part of his range for checking the flop is AK, AQ, A10, and KQ.....maybe 88 or 99 but i doubt it.

What do you think his bluff range is on river?
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08-20-2017 , 10:55 PM
I think both betting and checkraising the turn have merit. What do you do with the part of your range that's strong here, either because you missed a checkraise on the flop or you're the one with tens? You should also have some semibluffs with that, and KQ seems like a good hand to put in that range. You can't really fold any of your heart combos to a raise, so this should be the best bet-fold you have.

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Originally Posted by Etan

What do you think his bluff range is on river?
Counterfeited underpairs are the only thing that really makes sense.

I don't know, maybe he makes this bet with an ace to try to knock you off a chop, and calling with a king is the worst thing.
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08-21-2017 , 08:51 AM
Turn call is forgivable. I would definitely lead turn with value and this being one of the best bluffs makes it a bet OTT more often than not.

River we have K high man if you call this you are stationing near 100%
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08-21-2017 , 09:05 AM
Clear as day bet OTT, lots of equity + fold equity, plus lots of value we can have here too. x/c OOP with no SDV is the worst out our 3 options here.

Calling river is silly, villain can be bluffing with Ax here and you can lose to their bluffing range. It's not like you are anywhere near the range you need to be defending with KQ too.
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08-21-2017 , 11:11 AM
Thanks all for responding, definitely made a mistake by not betting the turn.

What's your play on the river if he calls the turn bet or turn chk/raise and we miss (pair or draw)?
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08-21-2017 , 02:40 PM
I think its very reasonable for villain to checkback most of his range on this flop.
Dont see why you think he would be super wide here.

I prefer b turn over c/r if we fail c/r he might just get to showdown with Ahigh. Ill barrel most rivers too.
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08-21-2017 , 04:59 PM
Totally new around here. Anyone want to tell me why you would call the turn here? If I didn't bet on the turn after the check on the flop, I would be planning a c/f rather than a c/c or a c/r. Once again, betting the turn gives us more info as far as I can tell. I personally don't like the call on the turn here if you didn't bet out. You don't have many options once you call the turn as it is clear you are drawing.

Take in to account his 3 bet range is wider than most but would include all kinds of things that could get us beat after the blank on the river. Any Ax, any pair higher than 7's or a J10 and 78 have us crushed at showdown. So, K high doesn't seem so great.
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