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2NL AQ CO vs SB 2NL AQ CO vs SB

06-30-2017 , 09:53 PM
PokerStars - €0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 107 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 27)
MP: 250 BB (VPIP: 72.00, PFR: 18.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.13, Hands: 51)
Hero (CO): 135 BB
BTN: 363.5 BB (VPIP: 21.57, PFR: 9.80, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 51)
SB: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
BB: 111.5 BB (VPIP: 30.43, PFR: 26.09, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 23)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, SB raises to 10.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 7.5 BB, fold

Flop: (25 BB, 2 players) Q 8 4
SB checks, Hero bets 10 BB, SB calls 10 BB

Turn: (45 BB, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero bets 20 BB, SB calls 20 BB

River: (85 BB, 2 players) J
SB bets 35.5 BB, ?
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06-30-2017 , 10:07 PM
Checking turn makes this hand a lot easier to play - you're not getting 3 streets of value in a 3b pot here with TPTK. As played I'd fold.
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07-01-2017 , 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SleuthOfBears
Checking turn makes this hand a lot easier to play - you're not getting 3 streets of value in a 3b pot here with TPTK. As played I'd fold.
+1 on turn
I would'nt fold river to this sizing... If he has JJ, good for him.

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07-01-2017 , 07:31 AM
First we need to decide whether we are going for 3 or 2 streets for value, there are certainly strong arguments for each. Looking at current replies, I see people are leaning towards 2 streets (although I would like to hear what OP is going for, as that obviously massively impacts advice). Lets say we are going for 2 streets, we can either opt to check back OTT and v-bet OTR, or bet OTT, check back OTR. As mentioned in other comments, I also lean toward line no. 1. This is because deception is more valuable than protection in this spot. This line extracts more value from a wider range of weaker hands (under-pairs etc.), and targets players sticky nature in 3b pots. That being said, a lot of competent players now understand that people are infrequently utilizing the bet check bet line as a bluff, especially in these 3b pots where people tend to be on the sticky side. If you are going to bet OTT, I'd suggest a slightly lager size - I doubt you will be using such a small sizing w/ your bluffs, therefore you are missing value.
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07-01-2017 , 04:49 PM
Lol you have to call river but you probably arent giod that sucks
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07-01-2017 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Fish-And-Chips
First we need to decide whether we are going for 3 or 2 streets for value, there are certainly strong arguments for each. Looking at current replies, I see people are leaning towards 2 streets (although I would like to hear what OP is going for, as that obviously massively impacts advice). Lets say we are going for 2 streets, we can either opt to check back OTT and v-bet OTR, or bet OTT, check back OTR. As mentioned in other comments, I also lean toward line no. 1. This is because deception is more valuable than protection in this spot. This line extracts more value from a wider range of weaker hands (under-pairs etc.), and targets players sticky nature in 3b pots. That being said, a lot of competent players now understand that people are infrequently utilizing the bet check bet line as a bluff, especially in these 3b pots where people tend to be on the sticky side. If you are going to bet OTT, I'd suggest a slightly lager size - I doubt you will be using such a small sizing w/ your bluffs, therefore you are missing value.
sorry for the nooby questions but when do you decide to go 2 or 3 streets for value?

I decided to bet on the turn because he was playing in a pretty straightforward way and didn't want to give him a free card just in case he had the flush draw.

you're right I could have made a larger bet on the turn
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07-01-2017 , 11:10 PM
Bigger ott to set up a river shove.
lolz at people not wanting to 3-barrel one of our very best hands in this spot against this line.
Fold river. Probably has JJ/QJ
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07-02-2017 , 05:44 AM
Interesting spot.

My bet sizing would be a little bit bigger on the flop and turn to get more value from all the hands he is continuing with.

I'm 50/50 between checking back turn and getting three streets.
As played I would fold, considering those kind of lines are often for value (QJ/JJ come to mind)
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07-02-2017 , 05:53 AM
Good bet flop, I like the sizing it can encourage some spews, allows him peel a wide range and gives your bluffs decent price. Also good for spr.

Turn is slam dunk bet dunno why we would consider checking.

River is **** card. I would check back here if checked too. Doesn't make much sense other than JJ but your getting great price.
If he bet normal size I'd say fold but to this size it just makes it too appealing to fold.


As for the 3 streets all bricks I would be betting.

Usually these spots that make no sense they have it tbf but I'd call, make a note and move on
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07-02-2017 , 05:57 AM
Something tells me that the people recommending checking turn or only going for two streets are being incredibly results oriented because this is a slam dunk bet and jam river for value (though I'd check this river if villain checked river).
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07-02-2017 , 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Aceone
sorry for the nooby questions but when do you decide to go 2 or 3 streets for value?

I decided to bet on the turn because he was playing in a pretty straightforward way and didn't want to give him a free card just in case he had the flush draw.

you're right I could have made a larger bet on the turn
Looking at V's weak line I like going for 3 streets. Obviously I like your turn bet (could size more appropriately) as long as you are going for three - if you intended on going for 2, I prefer the b/c/b line (my original advice is dependent on whether you intended on going for 2 or 3 streets - I based it upon the fact you were going for 2, an assumption I should not be making!)
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07-02-2017 , 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Fish-And-Chips
Looking at V's weak line I like going for 3 streets. Obviously I like your turn bet (could size more appropriately) as long as you are going for three - if you intended on going for 2, I prefer the b/c/b line (my original advice is dependent on whether you intended on going for 2 or 3 streets - I based it upon the fact you were going for 2, an assumption I should not be making!)
I really can't see any reason whatsoever for ever checking this turn. Completely missing value allowing villain to realise his equity.
The only way this would be okay is if villain is going to lead bluff river bur given action it doesn't make sense to give up flop with non-showdown hand then think **** it I'll float oop and bluff river.

It's very clear bet bet and then bet most rivers imo.(Not this one) like how do you play JThh here? You take one stab then give up? Na we're unloading that clip on flop turn and brick river.
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07-02-2017 , 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Degenplaya
I really can't see any reason whatsoever for ever checking this turn. Completely missing value allowing villain to realise his equity.
The only way this would be okay is if villain is going to lead bluff river bur given action it doesn't make sense to give up flop with non-showdown hand then think **** it I'll float oop and bluff river.

It's very clear bet bet and then bet most rivers imo.(Not this one) like how do you play JThh here? You take one stab then give up? Na we're unloading that clip on flop turn and brick river.
lol I completely agree - did I not make that clear in my comment? Pretty unorthodox I guess but my original comment was based upon how many streets OP was firing, and then developing my advice based upon that, instead of asserting my opinion on which line he should be taking for entire hand (a mistake on my part - I should just be giving my opinion/advice, with reasons why).

'Looking at V's weak line I like going for 3 streets. Obviously I like your turn bet' (quote).
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07-02-2017 , 07:15 AM
Ah sorry. Bit confusing. Vs a whale/station I'm betting river small too prob
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07-02-2017 , 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Degenplaya
Ah sorry. Bit confusing. Vs a whale/station I'm betting river small too prob
Yeh I get that, I need to structure my comments better lol, my bad! I agree w/ a small river bet vs fish
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