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2nl: 5way with middle pair and leading out 2nl: 5way with middle pair and leading out

07-22-2017 , 01:07 PM
What do you guys think about the lead on the flop, and the bet size on the river? Pretty much commited with my 2pair, hoping Qx calls.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 109.5 BB (VPIP: 31.30, PFR: 25.19, 3Bet Preflop: 9.30, Hands: 132)
SB: 80.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
Hero (BB): 105.5 BB
UTG: 305 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 60.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 5)
MP: 166.5 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 22)
CO: 307 BB (VPIP: 32.43, PFR: 21.62, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 37)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 4

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, CO calls 2 BB, BTN calls 2 BB, SB calls 1.5 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (10 BB, 5 players) 9 7 Q
SB checks, Hero bets 5.5 BB, MP calls 5.5 BB, CO calls 5.5 BB, fold, fold

Turn: (26.5 BB, 3 players) 5
Hero bets 14.5 BB, MP calls 14.5 BB, CO calls 14.5 BB

River: (70 BB, 3 players) 4
Hero bets 47.5 BB
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07-22-2017 , 01:20 PM
Dont lead the flop, too optimistic. X/f or sometimes (rarely) x/c.
Ofc the same for turn, it is worse than otf.
As played I would rather x/c river but not sure what is the best move here.
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07-22-2017 , 02:17 PM
I am fine with how you played the hand. I think 2 pairs and straights would have raised you on the turn. The 4 on the river shouldn't have helped anyone. It seems like a good value on the river to me. I would think a better hand would have raised us by now. It seems like we're up against busted draws and calling stations.
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07-23-2017 , 06:00 AM
Check flop
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07-23-2017 , 07:19 AM
x/c flop, we have little fold equity MW, some SDV and don't fair too well vs a raising range.
AP Think we just have to fire turn, we have pretty much no SDV, good equity and a reasonable amount of fold equity. River is too thin, either x/c or bet tiny for value at 2NL.
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07-23-2017 , 09:26 AM
I think bet on the flop is good.You can not checkfold this hand on the flop.
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07-24-2017 , 03:55 AM
Fold pre at the micros maybe because any hand you make with 94s is super marginal OOP? I used to overvalue hands like this a lot lol. As played have good equity vs naked flush draws and straights like TJ, 8T , 86 and 68 and are almost even even a Qx - so I don't think we're ever folding here especially with multiway pot odds. However we have almost no fold equity betting here. 4 way on a draw heavy flop texture. We have good equity - thats about all we know. X/c flop is optimal imo. The 5 turn lets 86s get there for a straight and puts a ton of pair + gutshot combos that might called our turn bet. This was a minraised multiway pot so even if you hit your flush - your OOP and nobody really has anything strong to pay you off. Building a big pot OOP is a mistake with a marginal hand. With made straights - two pair+ type hands possible - I think we're never value betting here as anything that calls beats QX. X/c river to bluff catch

Last edited by Woodworth92; 07-24-2017 at 04:00 AM.
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07-24-2017 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Woodworth92
Fold pre at the micros maybe because any hand you make with 94s is super marginal OOP?
Folding this hand when getting 9:1 is almost certainly a mistake.
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07-24-2017 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by thriftybunny
I think bet on the flop is good.You can not checkfold this hand on the flop.
Of course you would. And you'd GII with your shortstack with a pair+draw in a MW pot drawing pretty thin, too, right?

Sure you can fold, if MP cbets and gets called or raised, you can be certain in that scenario, most of the time your pair and/or draw are no good.

Advice is free. Choose wisely to whom you listen.
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07-24-2017 , 10:17 AM
When significant money goes in on later streets you're usually going to find your flush is dead, and your 9 will almost never end up being good, so x/c is meh. I think I hate leading more though. Could justify x/r given you have 77 and all the suited two pair combos, but I don't know how much you want to bluff into four players at 2nl. Probably never.
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07-25-2017 , 01:47 AM
You generally don't want to be donking with such a weak draw into so many players

Last edited by nuxxx; 07-25-2017 at 01:54 AM.
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