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20NL Line Check Missing Value? 20NL Line Check Missing Value?

08-17-2017 , 03:23 PM
Hi, looking for another line check. Pre was a misclick, lets just pretend I meant it though. Lets assume it's 63s.

I'm mixed between raising flop or just calling. There's lot of value to be had, but sucks to be 3B and feels thin trip barreling on most runouts. OTR I think I could of value bet, I'd like to hear others opinions. Cheers.

Villain seems reggish (minbet probs a misclick).

BTN: 31.35 BB (VPIP: 48.00, PFR: 35.20, 3Bet Preflop: 14.00, Hands: 128)
SB: 113.7 BB (VPIP: 23.38, PFR: 16.91, 3Bet Preflop: 7.55, Hands: 285)
Hero (BB): 169.95 BB
UTG: 132.8 BB (VPIP: 32.47, PFR: 25.32, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 159)
CO: 102.2 BB (VPIP: 25.42, PFR: 16.95, 3Bet Preflop: 4.08, Hands: 119)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 3

fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) J 6 3
SB bets 4.8 BB, Hero calls 4.8 BB

Turn: (15.6 BB, 2 players) 2
SB bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 11.15 BB, SB calls 10.15 BB

River: (37.9 BB, 2 players) 4
SB checks, Hero checks
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08-17-2017 , 03:40 PM
He has very few 5x and sets are blocked/might 3b/raise turn so you are ahead almost always otr so just try to get value from his 1 pair hands
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08-17-2017 , 03:43 PM
Yes, just flat flop. It sucks to get 3b, our equity vs that range is bad. We dont really feel thrilled about stacking since if we do, it's vs combo draws/sets/higher two pair. It's also good to have very strong hands in flatting range. You can also overbet on blank rivers if he checks and you can always expect to get paid.

Raise turn good, sizing is okay. I'd bet river 60-65% pot and make it look like a bluff. He should almost never have us beat
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08-17-2017 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Yes, just flat flop. It sucks to get 3b, our equity vs that range is bad. We dont really feel thrilled about stacking since if we do, it's vs combo draws/sets/higher two pair. It's also good to have very strong hands in flatting range. You can also overbet on blank rivers if he checks and you can always expect to get paid.

Raise turn good, sizing is okay. I'd bet river 60-65% pot and make it look like a bluff. He should almost never have us beat
Totally agree, cheers
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08-17-2017 , 06:08 PM
raise flop and cheer when he 3bets. This is Blind vs Blind and you have 2pair. There is like 5 combos that beat you. If he only 3b/calls AA you are good...
Not to mention all the value from Jx you miss by not raising
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08-18-2017 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by sinnaJ
raise flop and cheer when he 3bets. This is Blind vs Blind and you have 2pair. There is like 5 combos that beat you. If he only 3b/calls AA you are good...
Not to mention all the value from Jx you miss by not raising
Cheer...?

It doesnt matter that we only lose to 5 combos (I would also include J6s at least 50% frequency). Once we get 3b, our equity sucks and you cant stackoff profitably vs range of two pair/sets/combo draws. I never see anyone 3b stack off TP or an overpair in these kinds of spots. Maybe a massive whale, but doesnt look like opponent is that fishy. A reg will just never 3b let alone 3b/call an overpair here

We still get 3 streets from Jx on a lot of runouts, and even if we raise, they are folding Jx sometime before or on the river. Flatting keeps his range wide and lets him barrel a lot of his air, which his range will be heavy with on this semi-dry board BvB.

Also, if you raise all hands better than two pair, you're going to be capped on a ton of runouts and can get barreled on super hard.
I'd say this is the top of my flatting range, I'd raise J6s otf
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08-18-2017 , 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Cheer...?

It doesnt matter that we only lose to 5 combos (I would also include J6s at least 50% frequency). Once we get 3b, our equity sucks and you cant stackoff profitably vs range of two pair/sets/combo draws. I never see anyone 3b stack off TP or an overpair in these kinds of spots. Maybe a massive whale, but doesnt look like opponent is that fishy. A reg will just never 3b let alone 3b/call an overpair here

We still get 3 streets from Jx on a lot of runouts, and even if we raise, they are folding Jx sometime before or on the river. Flatting keeps his range wide and lets him barrel a lot of his air, which his range will be heavy with on this semi-dry board BvB.

Also, if you raise all hands better than two pair, you're going to be capped on a ton of runouts and can get barreled on super hard.
I'd say this is the top of my flatting range, I'd raise J6s otf
+1. It's far more of a rarity for someone to 3B overpairs or Jx than it's a common occurrence imo. I also agree this is the top of our flatting range too, bottom two is pretty thin for 3 streets and will get nasty when raised and helps strengthen checking range.
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08-18-2017 , 06:51 AM
Id say that if you cant get this in in a spot where ranges are so wide you are not bluffing enough. And i definitely see regs getting r/3b an overpair here in a blind vs blind situation.
I want to raise this spot a lot when im BB. And im definitely valueraising twopair. If he has 50% of J6s that is 1 combo btw. so 6 Combos that beat us. If he ever 3b/gii draws or overpairs we are golden.
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