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[10NLz] AQo should fold to 4bet IP? [10NLz] AQo should fold to 4bet IP?

07-21-2017 , 10:22 AM
PartyPoker, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Hero (BTN): 100 bb
SB: 114.8 bb
BB: 147.5 bb
UTG: 124.2 bb
MP: 100 bb
CO: 113.8 bb

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A Q
2 folds, CO raises to 3bb, Hero raises to 9bb, 2 folds, CO raises to 25.4bb, Hero calls 16.4bb

Flop: (52.3bb) T 2 8 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: (52.3bb) 9 (2 players)
CO bets 21bb

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Am I a spewlord overdefending vs 4bets?!

Sorry for the formatting, can't work out how to export HH from the Party mobile app. Playing without HUD so V is unk, but kinda interested in a more general approach with AQ anyway.

Feel like I spew a lot in exactly this position with AQ calling 4bets IP and I'm wondering whether it's even profitable to call pre when fewer and fewer people in the pool are 4b bluffing or 4betting JJ for value. Seems like if I'm calling just to fold to any bet then I should be folding pre and stationing off just seems to compound the mistake. I don't 3b 99 in this spot but I feel like I would much rather 3b/c with that than AQo, so what about flatting AQ to the open and 3b 99 instead?

So V's 4bet range is likely QQ+/AK/A5s we'll give him as bluffs. We're doing terrible against this range (30%). Maybe JJ will be in here but I doubt it, and our equity only bumps to 33% anyway. Comparatively, however, JJ is I'm guessing a super-standard flat in this position, and yet its equity is only 39% against that range and has just as much potential to be coolered on low runouts.

WRT this specific hand
What do we think of bluffing flop? Feels like I don't get anything in his range to fold except Axs bluffs which I dominate

Really tempted to raise jam turn as this hits my range so much harder than V's, but I doubt I get much more than AK/Axs to fold.
[10NLz] AQo should fold to 4bet IP? Quote
07-21-2017 , 10:23 AM
inb4:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rikk
Am I a spewlord overdefending vs 4bets?!
Spoiler:
Yes.
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07-21-2017 , 10:30 AM
Depends on how wide you're 3Bing, how often you're getting 4B and if villains will exploit overfolding to 4Bs. I can't see AQo being a profitable flat to 4b at 10NL, AQs is closer but I'd still default to fold. Not 3bing AQo but 3bing 99 is definitely a mistake, think AQ in 4bet pot is better anyways (maybe) since it has overs to KK/QQ and does dominate bluffs too, whereas 99 is either drawing to two outs or flipping. It may seem easier to play postflop, but is a worse flat to a 4bet.

AP I like a small 1/3 bet OTF, JJ benefits from protection, TT from value and puts villains bluffs in an awkward spot. Although AQo has some SDV we have to bluff with it since it's our only one lol.
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07-21-2017 , 11:28 AM
I'd fold pre unless I know
he 4bets often. My calling range here would be QQ-TT,AK,AJs+. I'm not sure about flop. Really depends on if he x/f AK.
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07-21-2017 , 03:52 PM
Feel like this comes down to our perception villain's 4! range. AQ is a great hand to have in our bluffing 5! range. Wouldn't do it all the time, but what hands do you have in your bluff 5! range now? Probably not too many. Against this villain maybe not the best play based on your perception but against others I really like the play. It's a fold or 5! spot imo.

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07-21-2017 , 04:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Renekton
I'd fold pre unless I know
he 4bets often. My calling range here would be QQ-TT,AK,AJs+.
This seems about right to me, too.

This is also a fairly large 4-bet (I thought 2.2x-2.5x was fairly standard), so I'm more inclined to fold the very bottom of the above range when I get almost-3x'd in this spot.

Maybe we can have AQo as part of a 5-bet bluff range, but another part of me is screaming that having a 5-bet bluff range in micros is suicidal.
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