I did. It occurred to me that availability is not smooth. I didn't really care.

Well hopefully you stocked up on Jergens. Don't do that next time. You know better -- unavailable guys = attractive, available guys = unattractive, unless the girl is a level 5 clinger.

Dude - snip this bitch. If a girl tries to reschedule on me 2x - I stop responding. If you want POF coaching, lmk.

I did not find you cryptic, and fully understood both this, and the other 'overly cryptic' quote. I think both show a decent level of understanding and thought.

As far as her looking at you - I hate to say it, but there's only one way to find out, and that is to talk to her and see if you get any more IOI's.

If I were to wager, I'd say that the little smile pre-class was IOI #1, and the eye contact was #2. The pressed lip smile is fine in context (in a hallway in passing it would NOT be an IOI IME). That said, if she were to look at you and lick her lips, it would be a quick trip to whore town, and girls try not to give that ticket too early.

Fact is, however, that eye contact and smiles from unknown girls are usually about the strongest indicators you can get. It's like a free ticket to give a B+ approach.

You guys have any thoughts on going out to bars by yourself? All my friends have either moved away or are still out of town on break, and I want to get more experience approaching people and starting conversations anyway. And it beats sitting here reading 2+2.

I'm perfectly aware, it's more just that the more this chick jerks me around the less I care about putting in effort to try to impress her or whatever. I'm not doing anything tomorrow night, so **** it, sure, we can go out, and if she blows me off again because my availability isn't attractive to her, I'm kind of beyond caring.

I tend to limp from every position pre flop because I figure if I can see flops cheaply, maybe I can flop big and stack someone's aces.

Not only are poker analogies w/ women generally terrible but that one does not even make sense here. That would be more apt to describe why sending ****** messages to a lot of girls on POF is inferior to sending good messages to a smaller number of higher quality girls.

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jesus ****ing christ, henry returning to this thread just changed my view of the entire human condition. i mean, it was one thing when my smart friend dropped out of university. another thing when my neurotic friend went back to doing drugs. another friend got back with her boyfriend after it seemed pretty clear she understood he was a complete douchebag. but i figured, at the very least, the cold, emotionless, machine of a man that is henry would not give in to his human wants and desires. if anyone has self-control it's henry (or at least his persona).

**** it, if nobody else can stick to their word, then how am i supposed to? i'm contacting my ex.

lol

not actually though, i'll fight the urge for another day.

i'm going out with friends and apg tonight, wish me luck!

Perhaps my analogy was bad, so I'll explain what I was trying to say explicitly. It seems as though you know what you're doing is wrong in theory, however you proceed to say that you're going to keep doing it because maybe somehow it works, and if it doesn't, you don't care. In my mind, it sounded like someone who knows that limping PF is wrong in theory, yet they do it anyway because hey - it's only 1 bb to limp, so who cares if you lose it?

Now I realize you say you don't care about this particular chick, so GREAT!!! She should be used as a guinea pig for practicing things that don't come naturally to some of us, yet are absolutely necessary if you want to improve your results with the next girl who maybe you DO give a **** about.

As far as the POF theory you describe goes, optimal strategy (meaning not firing off a zillion cold emails unlikely to get a response) is to create a profile that shows, not tells, how awesome you are, post a pic that catches the eye, and only message quality girls that have already viewed your profile. While it may seem like they had the opportunity to say hi and didn't and thus would not be great candidates to write - empirically it's just not true. Usually the ugly ones say hi, and the hot ones don't need to, but would probably be happy if you did.

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But it's more like you're just snap-checking-down a weak hand in a small pot you have no interest in bluffing in. And don't try to tell me that even if it's more +EV to vary your timing or whatever to act like you could still have a hand worth showing interest in, you and every other poker player in the world don't still do this all the time when it's limped to you in the BB and you check down queen-rag unimproved.

I would delete the last restriction. No reason to limit yourself to a small subset of the girls you'd otherwise be able to message on POF based on arbitrary things like "when they browse the site in relation to you" (since when you log in will determine where you show up on searches and thus how likely it is that any individual girl will see your profile at all ever).

Agreed. I have banged half a dozen girls off POF and 4 of them ****ed me on the first date. The 5th ****ed me on the second and the 6th turned out to still have her v card. I don't think it's due to my amazing game or Brad Pittish looks either, because I am only about a 7 and am moderately good at PUA. My friend who is a 6 but very socially awkward with women also got a cute girl to bang him off POF, so I think POF just breeds sluts or something. I highly recommend it.

I also recommend HotOrNot. You pay like 5 bucks a month for the premium service to sends messages to hot girls, and if you live in a moderate to large sized city, there will be a bunch of hot/cute girls on there. You already know they're shallow if they're cruising for guys on hotornot, so it doesn't take much to get them to ****. The girls are even easier than on POF.

As a third option, I recommend BeautifulPeople.com. It has a monthly subscription fee if you are accepted a member but you know every girl on there is attractive. There's a rating process where you have to submit your picture and members of the opposite sex vote whether to allow you membership over a 48 hour period. The site owners say that **** in your profile matters, but it doesn't. I got accepted after 48 hours with nothing in my profile except my location and picture, and within a day after joining, I had 2 unprompted messages from girls in my area. Only went on one date from that site but also banged her on the first date, so my anecdotal experience tells me that the girls on this site also put out rather easily. Obviously they are shallow if they are on a site like this but this thread is more for banging dumb women than it is about finding relationships.

I'd rather find a relationship tbh.

Solely for ILM's benefit: blogchick is a runner!

Then I think online is a horrible place to look. I'm assuming by her name that you didn't meet her online. I apologize if that's not the case.

No, I did, but I disagree that it's a horrible place to look. My former roommate now lives with a chick he met on POF, I've met some girls on the site that I could see myself in a relationship with.

Maybe it's different where you are but every POF girl I've met or corresponded with has been a compleeetee slut or a virgin and not relationship material. Doesn't seem to be much in between.

Dead: Based on conversations in EDF dating thread plus anecdotal evidence from friends of mine around the country, the SF Bay Area is (not surprisingly) a complete anomaly wrt the way online dating works. Of course the high-frequency hookup action exists here too, but more casual and relationship dating is also very common from online. And the general quantity and quality of women is far better here.

goofy: FWIW, and this is why I didn't rip on your situation much, while it is not the PUA optimal approach or anything, for a lot of personality types (you seem to fit in this very well) I don't think there's anything wrong w/ just sort of putting yourself out there and if she likes you, she likes you. Of course that means you will need more things to just sort of magically click before you find the right girl, but for some people that's just the way they are gonna find someone.

goofy, how'd it go yesterday?

she cancelled.

He's allegedly meeting her tonight though.