Err, my exact words were "Saw her out on a night out a couple of weeks ago, caught each other's eyes, exchanged smiles. Would have approached but she had friends with her.".

This is exactly what happened. I saw her while I was on a night out, and also she was on a night out in the same place. We were with different people, also known as our friends, who do not know each other. When I saw her, she looked at me. I smiled, she smiled back.

Perhaps some mix up in British to American phrasiology, idk.

And I'm done giving you advice.

Anyone else have anything interesting happen this week? TurnUpTheSun: you've been quiet recently.

You never gave any advice, you got all bitchy and assuming straight away. Try actually reading people's posts before getting on your soap box.

What exactly did I bitch and assume? Please share.

And the advice (I question your definition of the word advice if giving people helpful hints on how to rectify a situation does not constitute advice. then again could be that BRIT THING LOLOL tally ho!) I gave you is completely standard and normal. They may as well make it into a form post in the EDF relationship thread. If you are unwilling to follow it, then you will not find much success.

I'm starting to sound like Thremp. This isn't good.


Although I was nice to you until your tone turned sarcastic. This is so standard of 2p2 advice threads. Come in, ask for advice, get advice and then argue to all hell with the people giving you advice on why they are wrong. Why even ask then? IF you know all the answers already?

Gosh I usually never post like this. I'm generally kind, patient and caring (as any good green lantern should be). I must have been put on some sort of insane life tilt today.

I was being completely genuine about the UK/USA terminology perhaps giving different means, after all you pointed out where I said "saw her out". To me, that means exactly as it says on the tin, I saw her with my eyes and therefore not to speak to, on a night out in town. Whereas you took it to mean we were at a party together or at the bar together.

Tally Ho is a phrase used by foxhunters, not the general British.

You didn't read my initial post properly, and assumed I "hinged" everything on the facebook idea. If you had read it properly, I clearly said that if it didn't work, I would talk to her in real life.

You said you would "wait" for an opportunity to talk to her IRL after waiting to see if FB doesn't work out.

Just be affirmative and talk to her. Approach her in class. Find some sort of common ground conversation starter... which you already have. You don't need facebook... the essay is already there.

"Hey, this essay assignment is a bitch, isn't it? You ever figure out X or how to articulate Y?" Boom. From there segue into non-school related conversation.

Is she with a group of friends? Approach and say something like: "Man can't believe you guys are hanging out with this girl. Didn't you know X?" *giggle giggle* "And shouldn't you be at home doing your homework? You know we have X due at Y hahaha." Grab the attention of the group and gogogo. Don't pay her too much attention to start, either.

Boom.

I know I said I was done giving advice, but I felt bad that my tone was so harsh. So here you go.

And I just like saying tally ho whenever given the opportunity.

Also I like the word boom.

No worries. That's what I maent by "wait" also though- not literally wait until she talks to me, but just find a reason to talk to her in class. Got class with her tommorow, will report back.

The point is that you shouldn't have to "find a reason". Just go talk to her. Like you should have done at the bar the other night.

You don't need subtext, and it's not weird to talk to someone that you only casually know if you see them out somewhere.

In fact, I think it's a little weird to NOT say hi. If I see someone I know somewhere, whether at a bar, a game, a movie, whatever, I go say hi. Yes, even if he or she is with a group of friends. Yes, even if he or she is with his or her parents.

What's weird is smiling and then disappearing.

It sounds like all the happened was the equivalent of him passing her on the street. A smile is fine.

The presumption when you pass someone on a street is that you are both headed somewhere.

The presumption when you pass someone in a bar is that you are out to be social and have a good time.

Right, and maybe I just cant read, but Im pretty sure he never said he saw her at a bar.

But back to the matter at hand, obviously you dont need facebook to "break the ice". That barely even makes sense.

Ah, reading comprehension ftw.

And it seems Karak and you have just hashed all this out, and I was still oblivious.

... carry on

i have nothing going on.
lots of group projects to work on and a 15 page paper due on friday though
hopefully gonna have a good weekend

The other thread is up now, its really long but well worth the read imo.

yeh i read it before, extremely epic length wise, however definately worth the read. definately like the idea of building 'natural' confidence rather than not being yourself and turning alll confident and douche-like

I skimmed it. Pretty solid read.

I'll give you guys an update.

The girl who I discussed earlier surprisingly called on Sunday while she was sitting in the airport. She asked a stupid question about when an assignment was due. Pretty stupid because its written in bold on the syllabus.

Spent about a minute on that and then went on to talking about our Thanksgiving breaks and law school. Apparently, she did not realize that its colder in the Northeast than it is here in the Southwest. Now she really wants to attend the state school's law school that I've been dying to go to. She said she can't handle the cold.

Today she was really nice in class and complemented me on my presentation. Later she texts me with news that she got into a law school in the Northeast. She's done this type of texting before. She texted me after she ran this half marathon while in San Fran on Halloween. Just seems odd to me that she'd thinking of me while she experiences these things.

She does not ever mention our last conversation.

Here are the thoughts running through my head:

1. Why are you calling and texting me? Go ahead and talk to that "other guy" you're seeing. I'm kinda starting to doubt he exists.

2. Don't you feel just a little weird around me or talking to me after what happened? Don't you think that you'd want me to know that there is nothing there but friendship (if thats really all you want)? I expected her to act differently.

3. Is it ever not creepy/desperate/obsessive to ask her about that "other guy"?

4. Honestly, I'd rather you leave me alone. I would rather not keep up this "i'm cool being in the friend zone" facade.

seems pretty obvious she is thinking about you a lot and that you should go for it... i dont remember the backstory of your situation though

All I said was he SHOULD approach her when she's alone. There's higher probability of success than approaching her when she got friends around.

Ain't that obvious?

And ye, there's too many fish in the sea, but it'd feel so empty w/o me. ;o

Original post? Usually when girls text you this **** it's a good sign though.

1,2,3,4 - WRONG. Please abandon all these thought. They're all so sarcastic in a way of their own. It's lame. Understandable for what you're going through, been there done that, felt like idiot too. But I can tell now it's lame.

Anyway, cut to the chase, I can't stress this enough. Cut to the chase with her. If you wanna know where you stand, where the other guy stands, how she feels about you.

Next time you're w/ her, just be honest w/ her.
Tell her it's nice and **** being/talking/msgin' with her, but you ain't in mood to play games. (Don't ask what her previous actions are supposed to mean tho'). And you got a date arranged on *whatever day* and to do *whatever activity* and you just wanna know if she's coming too, cuz going on date alone doesn't cut it. (if she's a bit smart, I assume she is, she'll figure out you're actually asking her out lol)


You're in a pot w/ her now, so instead of murky betting action which will only get you confused. When she bets, you push all in. Force her to call or fold.
Showdown she's serious w/ you or muck her hand 'cuz she ain't.

You see, girls' mind is a different world. They do things which confuse guys a lot. Keep it simple and straightforward. Saves a lot of heartache later, should you fall any deeper into this.

wow some terrible advice in here. most of it from the same poster, and as always Karak is spot on imo. Guys dont sit around waiting for things to happen, go for it. make yourself the interesting guy, dont suck up to them and dinners served.

G&B forget the cut the chase advice given here, its suicide in every possible way.
if youve got some game, use it. if not, practice it or you may be on the train to Friendville in notime, which none of us goodpeople want to happen.

if she goes "ill see you around", answer "yeah - youll see me around" - stupid sh*t like that. small twists gets the spark going if there was ever one.

ok go kill gl

Nio min Nio> right, PUA bull**** *play the game* do this, act like that, make urself interesting even if you're not. Pretend, lie, fake it till you make it, do whatever it takes uh?

It works,.. yes, such approach works very well, if you wanna get into her pants.
But it's an awful way to do it if you actually want to be with her, cuz you love her.

Relationship build on lies is doomed to fail. One way or another. And if you ain't honest from the beginning it's not like you're getting honest somewhere along the way.

What I advised to G&B was being straightforward and honest. Yes, you risk girls won't understand or appreciate that, but then she's just not bright enough... is such girl worth having a relationship with? No.... just move on.

And I assume that relationship is what G&B wants... if you just want to **** her, then why would you try so hard in the first place, when there's tons of girls who'll sleep with you just like that.

So in fact, it's you providing some terrible advices to form a relationship.
When you get older, see both sides, you'll understand what I'm sayin.

make yourself interesting even if youre not; if this is how people generally feel about themselves, they should prioritize less high-variance stuff than girls.

OP; id probably blend into some msg that im going to this and that this weekend~, making obvious youll be meeting some people and whatnot. will hopefully force a climax if things are going downhill, without making you look too terrible if it doesnt work out