Oh and if TurnUpTheSun doesn't show up on this thread at some point tonight, I'll really be disappointed.

Was just giving an opinion. I haven't been hesitant to say what I think of some of Karak's stuff too, but I dunno, started to seem like piling on. I imagine it's that part of me felt bad for coming after Karak so I compensated by trying to defend him. What can I say, I'm soft.

Last longer prop bet line:
Karak posts another TR: -1500
TUTS posts three more times ITT: +600

Well, if anything the "piling on" has made it clear the community here does not appreciate the way I post or frame things. I do understand that now, and I don't anticipate it will be an issue in the future. I was of the opinion that it was all fun and games and entertainment before, but clearly I misread the situation and misunderstood.

(not to say the advice in this thread wasn't serious... i was talking more about the flippant nature and framing of the TRs)

The thread has taken an unfortunate turn tonight, but WTF. You do get way more positive than negative replies ITT, I hope that much isn't lost on you.

That's exactly my point. Obviously I thought what I was posting was being received positively due to exactly what you cited, so I continued down that vein. Now with everyone and their mother coming out of the woodwork to either tell me I have psychological problems or I'm a petulant child, it's clear that was not the case.

Nah I liked the original too, I just didnt feel like going back and quote the post I was referring too so edited that one to give enough info....

And I hope you all can understand that my quick reaction to shut this down was as a result of many of my RL friends reading this here. This is more or less me being ripped apart by a group of people based on posts on an internet forum in front of some of my best friends who know me very well IRL. Accurate analysis or not (and regardless of whether or not my friends know me well enough to know it is inaccurate), it's quite embarrassing. I'm sure someone will connect the fact that I feel embarrassment to some psychological disorder. I'll try to beat you to wiki.

yeah, this.

I like Karak TRs, kinda disappointed that others are discouraging him from posting.

In all honesty Karak there is something seriously missing from your life if you try to hide certain aspects, I would be less worried about hiding these aspects(or shying away from critical analysis of you as a person, etc.) and focus on why you feel general resentment towards people pointing these things out in you. If I was "piling on" with my stupid one liners(basically all I d in 99% of my posts) I apologize but if peoples analysis of your actions through TRs seriously affects you then you should look within and not at what we are talking about.

/in after useless self fulfillment paragraph

I dunno. You're a Yankees fan, I think you would have plenty of experience with haters coming out of the woodwork, both rational and irrational, simply as a result of your boys getting a ton of exposure.

IRL, I've been a popular guy in most stages in life. I never doubt that I have detractors, both because some people are irritated by my personality legitimately, and also because some are just going to be bothered by someone who has more success/popularity.

I think it's just unrealistic to believe you can have flawless approval ratings from the general public. And the more you're out there, the more will have opinions, and the more passionate the opinions will be. It is what it is.

sigh. This post pretty much completely backs my decision to stop with the TRs. I think this is ample evidence enough of the misunderstandings that simply cannot be avoided.

Again, there is an enormous difference between having detractors and having the last 100 posts of a thread contain multiple essays about why you have deep seated psychological issues.

"Karak you're posts are dumb" or "karak you're egotistical" or "karak i cant believe this ****" is much, much different than what happened here.

Dont get me wrong I love the TRs and see nothing really wrong(I like making short jokes ldo), I just think you should only psots TRs if you are truely hapy in doing so, I dont think you should feel an obligation to us to keep the TRs coming when you know 9/10 times there will be someone analyzing too much into the situation.

LOL at CC's edit reason. Have I been ignoring him being this funny before?

Totally wrong. Desiring attention = going to these parties, talking with a few girls, maybe hanging out with one or two, and if it doesn't work, that's the end. However, that is not what is going on; you always seem to need to be involved with some girl. And that's why you wouldn't be with BG if you didn't need the attention. You wouldn't constantly change your stance on her, and you would not be in contact with her either.

Plus, last time I checked this thread it was called "SL 'Ask Out a Girl'/Relationship ADVICE Thread. People enjoy reading your TRs, but you don't even seem to want advice. Maybe you should stop posting them then. People want to give you advice, but you don't want to hear it if it is negative.

Not trying to start something. I am just stating the facts, and it seems like many people agree.

The desire/need comment was a joke/subtle shot back at daryn if that wasn't clear.

I'm completely amazed at the 180s some people have done in this thread within the last 5 hours alone. Holy ****. Going from begging for more and more from me to absolutely ****ing slamming me for posting. This is unbelievable.

+1

karak you are clearly the best writer of TRs among us, but not expecting people to point out the negatives along with the positives is a bit unrealistic itt.

Karak, fwiw I find the trip reports pretty entertaining and appreciate your effort in making them interesting to read. I grunched most of the abcd stuff so I can't comment on that but the BG stories have been fun to read.

I don't know about the average poster but I tend to read everyone's stories and try and picture myself in the situation and what I might do or how I might feel based on the circumstances without trying to judge the person's actions or their character.

I think the point of the thread shouldn't be psychoanalyzing each other as much as just offering different viewpoints of how we would approach the same situation or how the poster might go about things differently if they want to reach a certain goal, be it having success with women on a casual basis or in a relationship.

i come back in this thread, and see there are like 40 posts I need to read. Im thinking...awesome...there is a bunch of good TR's to read like one from karak, but i see all this crap.

Karak keep posting what you want and how much of it. It is still entertaining and this thread is like the only reason why i still come back to 2+2. I think some of the psychoanalyzing stuff is ok, but most of it is boring in this context. Id rather read TR's.

yeah I kinda just skipped over this whole drama bomb, karak is cool, whatever

either way, I still dont really like BG. I really dont think she is going to turn out well. obviously I know a lot of info is left out of these posts, but she just raises a bunch of red flags

her asking nonstop what BG IMO means though is hilarious

All Karak psychoanalysis aside, I'm surprised more people aren't talking about BG's behavior. Recap:


1. She cheated on some dude to "hook up" with you.
2. Told you she banged some dude night before hanging out with you.
3. Plays around with you telling a chick to grind you at a party.
4. Plays around with you making out with some gay dude (highly likely that she planned this to mess with you as immediately you go upstairs and she's blowing up your text).
5. Plays around with you asking you why you like her (it's amusing to her how you are her little yo-yo and she can act like a **** and bang whomever she wants and you're still there to text with whenever she's bored).
6. Tells you clearly in dorm that she only wants something casual (if a 19 year old girl really likes a guy, no way in hell she would bring up stuff like this).



It's overwhelmingly clear from weeks of TRs that you like her a lot more than she likes you. This girl doesn't really care about you at all and if you continue hanging out with her she is going to provoke in you 3 AM drunken Karant's the likes of which we have never seen.

I guess posting as much as Karak does will garner the criticism good or bad, but regardless I as others ITT enjoy the TR's and your style of writing. I enjoyed your 6 or so Tr's and can understand why you didn't want to fully disclose what happened between you and bg were all old enough to read in between the lines.

Also agree with BEP above, although its obvious that karak knows this won't go anywhere long term and doesn't even want it to.

toomanyletters needs clarification IMO.

If I could speculate on what happened in the dorm room (is this against this thread's TOS?)I would imagine that Karak went down on BG and she gave him a handjob. He's welcome to clarify what actually happened though.