She said she's ****ed 8 other guys since breaking up with her ex so as long as there aren't any news stories about a string of murders of dudes in their 20s I think funky's in the clear

I wasn't thinking murder so much as emotional instability leading to drama.Theft is also a concern but less so than just being alone with someone who could be unstable. I have been in that situation and it is not good.

Yeah I think it's pretty tough. I mean if I keep hitting the gym I should eventually get an extra 0.5-1 point, but its hard work. Apart from that it's hard. My wardrobe has improved a ton in the last year but I think it probably went from a -0.5 points to marginally positive, as people dress pretty well here.

I feel like the main thing to improve on is becoming for lack of a better word 'cooler' or more 'alpha' and that's pretty tough. Get me one on one with a girl and I do pretty well because I become cocky, I'm reasonably funny, I make decent money and I have decent stories because I've done quite a lot of stuff, but I find none of this stuff is useful in a bar cold approaching a girl who is better looking than me.

Again, it's not like I feel like I'm bad with girls but there is definitely a ton of improvement to be made, and a lot of it is stuff that you can't tangibly see, which makes it tough.

I feel like the bar scene just might not be my thing (and again, I do OK, but not amazingly). I'm actually going to try online dating and will report back (sorry Henry). I feel like once I'm on the date i'm gold, it's just getting the date in the first place where I struggle. I think I've been on 4 dates lifetime, all with girls better looking than me, and I'm 3/4 for sex and 4/4 for a second date. I just don't go on enough clearly.

This is the best decision you will ever make, UNLESS you are convinced you want to marry this girl (which you shouldnt be).

I thought this was pretty cool. Pornhub released most type keyword for each state:



- South loves their ebony
- LOL Kentucky

I'm not gonna die I'm fbook friends w her and she is definitely a real person. And she lives far away and bangs tons of dudes so risk ofher going crazy on me seems small

Ya that was the wrong thread, my b. You can delete that.

haha i enjoyed it, great post

girl missed her bus and wont be getting in till like 1am, so shes gonna stay with a friend tonight. i'll see her tmrw

Chit, I just accidentally read through 4 random pages of this thread before realising they were pages 10-14. Bloody phones. I was wondering where all these new people had come from Haha.

It is a lot easier to go above ur level away from bars. For example in my squash club one of the ugliest guys in the club, who is around late 30s, goes out with this stunning dark brunette chick, perfect body easy 8.2/10. He is a legit 4/10 at best. You have so much more time to get to know people. If ur willing to not have sex straight away the rewards are there in the long run. If ur a genuine nice person, with a good job and interests girls will be interested in you. In bars you are generally judged on ur appearance first, which is not really how it shud be. Squash socials are pretty much mass rooting fests for all the single people.

Plus most of the squash girls are pretty hot, and they all have perfect bodies. Depending on ur city and demographics but generally you will have way way less competion for hot girls this way then you would in a club but this can vary.

I've seen lots of unattractive guys do well in every environment because for men physical attractiveness is important but not that important of a metric.

I have nothing against sports social clubs as a way to meet girls but I do believe your reasoning is somewhat off on the physical appearance aspect. Physical appearance is going to matter more rather than less at sporting clubs. Depending on the sport the physical conditioning of the guys is going to be very evident. Further, the baseline and competition is going to be higher.

The benefit that a social club offers is repeat exposure which allows you to communicate other metrics. This isn't really an advantage of the sports club so much as an indicator of a flaw in how a lot of guys who are unsuccessful with licensed venues approach going out. Unless you are at the very high level where you can instantly signal stuff you need to go out often and in a concentrated fashion. If you go out infrequently and to different unconnected places all the time then yes physical appearance is going to matter a lot more because it is the only metric anyone has to go with. If you go and work a scene properly then the situation is pretty much the same so I'd call this a wash.

I don't get the delayed sex comment. You should never delay having sex.

I think co-ed sports are great for the guy who is in above average shape but for whatever reason somewhat shy. It gets you past the approach aspect which is really valuable to guys who are shy but it comes at the cost that you're putting yourself in an environment where everyone is above average shape and where showing of skin is much more common. If the cost is worth it to you depends on how shy you are and how you rank physically against the competition.

I think this is a very good point. Some girls I know who are very attractive all go to the same three bars every weekend. There are groups of guys who always go there, and the scene becomes pretty incestuous.

I guess it is also a snowball effect kind of thing. The more you go, the more people you know, the higher your social value will be, the more people you will meet etc etc.

Melbourne summer is coming up, might try and become a regular at a few scenes. Problem is, almost all of my good friends either are in relationships or don't live in my area. It's annoying

I'm gonna be in Melbourne next weekend for a bux weekend. Gonna be oh so loose. Do you live down there Fryke? Where should we be going?

Yeah man I live here. Depends what you are looking for? Best area for attractive girls is Chapel Street. Best place to get loose with a younger more chilled out (but still party hard) crowd is St Kilda. Richmond is more young professionals (my hood). All the strip clubs are downtown though, which makes it a bit tricky. Tons of decent bars downtown, plus the Crown Casino complex is pretty close but St Kilda and Chapel are definitely better for pure going out.

Best bet would be to start at either Chapel Street or Crown as they are rather central, and then decide later if you want to hit up strip clubs downtown or head to St Kilda

Fryke: I'm not based in Melbourne but we're planning to visit in a couple of weeks. I remember Chapel St being way easier and having a much better selection in terms of picking up relative to Richmond. Is this similar to your experience or just variance and lol sample size?

Chapel as a whole probably has better talent but Richmond has a better variety of chill bars, live music places and more clubby places. Plus the calibre of people in Richmond is better than chapel, but for eye candy chapel is hard to beat.

Top places in Richmond though are really good though as well

I'm thinking we will be hitting chapel St then. We aren't a very classy bunch. Just a dozen country bumpkins.

Delayed sex ie generally you will have games with people at random times often during the week. At lunchtime on a week day or even 5pm during the week, its going to be pretty tough to close on the spot.

I"m probably a 7.5 out 10 so maybe I am biased.

I know I've asked this 1000 times, but could you please elaborate on this?

This is a poor advice. There are definitely times to wait, especially if a girl is on the fence about it. No need to rush into anything.

Why would you delay sex? It's only people who have a misconception that there is a dichotomy between "girls you ****" ad girls you date that believe this.

I'm reality this doesn't exist, and is simply created by guys who struggle with girls as a crutch, as they "didnt want that casual sex anyways because they want a nice girl". Similar to the false reality that girls only like *******s and being nice is negative ev.

There is no reason not to have sex early assuming both parties are mature enough to handle sex.

This is wrong most chicks esp in new zealand/australia you shud sleep with them straight away. Theres always more traditional girls that wont sleep with u on the first night u meet them. I imagine this percentage is a lot higher in the states because of the religion factor. I'm hardly not gonna see 8/10 girls ive hit it off with all night, again because they wouldnt sleep with me on the first night. Theres lots of factors that can make it hard to have sex the first time u meet someone.

That is different than what I thought you were saying.

I thought delay sex meant even if you have the opportunity don't take it because of some weird theory like the one The-fryke referred to.

Obviously no one expects to have sex the first time they meet someone 100% of the time. My point was only that there is no value in passing on an opportunity just for the sake of passing on the opportunity as some kind of strategy to get a relationship.