Just like the average donk will settle on whatever table he can play on in poker, the average donk will often do that in life with regards to marriage. I see a lot of people getting married out of college just because they dated that person all through college and it seems like the "right thing to do." I predict many of them will end up divorced, as they are not compatible. They simply got married because that relationship was comfortable and change is scary.

I can't tell you how many people tell me, "Well, we fight all the time and like twice a day, but it makes our relationship stronger and teaches us to forgive each other. That's what makes us special."

Yeah fighting multiple times a day for years sounds like a good reason to get married. Sigh.

Quick update on my story from a few hundred posts ago if anyone is interested.
Haven't really bothered with the girl since I last posted, she facebook messaged me once asking if i was going to a big night out to Bristol on the same day as her birthday. She hasn't got anything planned so she may go to that, or if not many people she knew were going, wanted to go to to a smaller club in our town.

To be honest she sounds like the girl described in the posts above. Always had a boyfriend and at the moment seems like she can't quite let go of him. I may just move on and keep her as a friend..

Hey guys,

So Thursday i met up with the girl from previous posts for lunch in the city. She was a bit late because couldn't find a park and had to settle for a 2 hr spot (good excuse to bail later, well played by her). So we grab lunch and things go what i perceive to be well.

After lunch we were about to leave when she said she didn't have to go home just yet and was just going to go shopping. I ask by herself etc and then just sort of self invited/ don't remember what was said. Either way we went shopping and walked round for like an hour.

Also i paid for lunch because she didn't have money on her but i said she could pay me back another time because she wanted to. anyway i am just wondering what my play should be. Knowing she only wants to be friends for now should i just ask her to grab lunch again? Any other advice?

Uh, more details? What did you talk about? How was she acting? Was it awkward? How was the shopping trip? How did she act? What did she shop for? Did she treat you like a chick shopping with her or a dude? Seriously there's so much information available here for us, and you need to provide it if you want a good answer.

If it looks as though she left an exit strategy after lunch (as you mentioned) but declined it to go shopping with you, that's probably a good sign. Unless (no offense, sir) she figured out she could get you to buy her stuff before she never saw you again, which is unlikely with most decent people but not impossible. But if she could have bailed after lunch (even if it wasn't the full time slot she was available) and didn't that usually means she's investing something in you.

That's my $0.02 considering i don't know much of the specifics

O ok sorry about that. Firstly bonsaltron she wasn't going to even let me pay for lunch and insisted on finding an Atm although i couldnt accept because i didn't have change for a 50.

Anyway, it may have been a little awkward at first, she initiated a hug when we first met up which caught me a little off guard. However i would say there was never more than 10 seconds of silence between us which i definately tried to avoid. We talked about uni, travelling, music, shopping, work, school (last year), looking like an idiot in public (after we saw some guy attempt to walk through a window which he thought was a sliding door). And other random bits and pieces.

She seemed pretty comfortable and was laughing fairly often from what i can remember. I said i didn't really need to look for anything while shopping after she asked me if i needed anything so she just looked for some shorts and a black top but couldnt find anything and didn't try anything on.

I would say she treated me like a dude when shopping because she didn't really ask my opinion, however she told me how the small things like stitching is how you can tell if something is quality and the difference between cuffed and uncuffed shorts. Good or bad thing?

Anyway at the station we hugged and said goodbye. Hope that info helps, and look forward to advice.

sounds all pretty solid imo Milf, doesnt sounds like u made any 'errors' or anything to harm ur chances and seems like she keenish, i'd jst keep plugging away and laying the foundations. in terms of future contact unless u dont talk on fb or something jst shoot her a text over next couple of days jst saying someshat bout u were talking bout and maybe say somehting about day eg shuld do again etc (wat others think bout this? could be bit to datish considering jst meant to be creatign friendship?). gl with ur pursuit.

1. what if you know girls for a 3 month span or so and fail at being personable around them because you naturally had no game

however you develop game and are quickly improving your personality around women (as i'm in the process of doing)

is it too late given that they already knows me as not a great personality and should i move onto other women, or can i revamp my personality and attract them to me

2. what about hooking up with older girls in college 1-2 years older than you? bad idea/good idea? easy/difficult?

op needs to read this thread

All of this seems like a good sign... especially the fact that she invited you out shopping after. That she was laughing a lot is very good and one of the details I was curious about.

Here's my issue: I'm more concerned with the way you conducted yourself throughout the entire process. Were you kind of acting a like a wuss playing second fiddle to her the whole time? Kind of a yes man, etc? Or did you challenge her a bit?

I've seen people get into these situations (and been in these situations) where the guy just acts all passively and plays off the girl the entire time, rather than kind of taking charge of the situation himself.

I would have liked you to say you did need something and taken the lead on that. Even if you didn't need anything at all.

1. I'll answer with an adaptation of a quote I saw on the old guy twitter account: Let women decide why they won't date you. Don't decide for them.

Stop being such a wuss and coming up with excuses and just try it out. If it doesn't work, then fine, move on. If it does, then ship it.

2. Again, stop talking yourself out of things before you even try. Yes, it will probably be more difficult. So? Who cares? There's plenty of women out there. If it doesn't work out with that one then **** it, there's more to move on to.

i can c wat u mean here, but form his previous posts where talking bout how she wants to build friendship etc, he probs feels bit hard to impose himself/ feel need to take the lead. i reckon ur best jst leeting it all come naturally and then at least u'll get an idea of whether in the relationship ur gonna be her bitch or wateva and then at leats ya can bail rather than artifically imposing urself and beginning a cycle of not being urself (no cliche but w.e)

Do girl like hairy guy or shaved guy?

assume ur talking bout on face?? pretty sure if ya got like ****ass patchy growth with azn whiskers they wont enjoy but typically they do if ya got some damn sxc partick dempsey stuble or some mad beard like dude in hangover.

please stop posting

im pretty sure he meant on your dick area.

do you like hair on a chicks V? what would make you think they "like" it?

put it this way, if you trim/shave they will never be like "where are all those great pubes i love to get in my mouth?", but if you leave it mangy then they could be like "wtf why doesnt this guy take care of himself". so you only have nothing to lose and much to gain.

plus it makes your dick look bigger.


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so i had this long fb chat with this girl (same girl i've been posting about in this thread) that went great. we had a friendly, flirty, but non-sexual chat. she called me handsome, a great guy, and interesting and said "you know i think you're really cute."

she also said she'd text me if she had some free time and wanted to hang out, but she left it very up in the air. she hinted that she wanted me to stop asking her out like i did before, though, and that instead she wanted to take the initiative when she felt like it.

one problem is two guys who live on her floor are after her, and she hangs out with them more than with me. she's probably more physically attracted to me, but those guys are experts around women, and one of those guys has gone out with her to a concert and a dance.

imo i got her physically hooked but i need to get her emotionally hooked.

also i'm not looking for a one night stand with her. i'd like to develop a relationship.

next steps/advice on what to do/say?


p.s. also does anyone know how i can retrieve the fb chat session so i can go over everything we said to each other?

wait til she texts you and stop creeping her out

her telling u that u are cute = v. good

get as much 1 on 1 time as possible but don't make it look like you're looking especially forward to them...like treat it like bowling night with ure buddies, don't take a shower minutes before you leave you don't want her seeing wet hair... but still look good obv

and if anything don't hook up with her on the first or even second date if ur looking for a long-term thing... you need to build chemistry and inside jokes and have a legitimate good time but give her as much doubt as possible as to whether you're interested in her... if she's having a good time with ya but hooking up might potnentially be a challenge that's just gunna pour gas on the fire in my experience

remember ur the pitcher in a game of baseball u control the clock and u don't want to overplay your hand if u want her as a gf

gl

youd be surprised i remember a conversation with like 6 people at college (like 3 girls, 3 guys) and it came up and there was diversity in the answers. some chicks like trimmed idk why

well at a minimum trim it you dont have to shave it but dont leave it full blown

OMG A+ EVERYONE GO READ THIS I AM DYING RIGHT NOW

this post contains brutally awful advice (referring to paragraph 3)

if you are referring to the 3rd paragraph, he is right, sort of. some girls never really try to progress relationships with guys they made out with early becuase all you are to them is another guy she mad out with, especially if you both are drunk during it. That said a lot of girls dont give a **** and sometimes making out with them will lock them into you a little more than just chilling and hanging out with them...but its far from awful advice

*facepalm*