She was wearing a cardigan over a vest and bra obv. This seemed too lofty a challenge whilst half drunk plus access was good to lower areas.

Feeling the boobs outside also work as well. Usually if you do this, they take it all off for you.

once its off, even if they are like "no dont" the girl get so ***** cised. its the go-to move. its like the gateway to epic awesomness from my experiences.
btw, this thread is a lot more awesome when my problems arent involved.
also, its a lot cooler cause they are freshmen.
also also, it makes sense this girl is hung up on someone at home b/c she is a freshman. its a pretty common thing, but it goes away with time. only potential problem is you are the first guy so its gonna be more work for you (though this girl doesnt seem to be making it too difficult). the next guy is pretty much being dealt AA and flopping quads with her.

Trust me they know what you are trying to do when you go to take off the bra. If she doesnt say anything then you are golden, the sex is yours. There are ways to keep these kind of girls, either for them to keep having sex with you or for them to want to date you. When we get that far I will tell you how.

Ok guys this was what happened after the 'wrong impression message'. I decided to go upfront and just say "Im not fussed where we go, wed or thur is good? Can i ask what impression that is...?"

She replies like 15 minutes later with something along the lines of "from experience when people ask me out they usually dont intend on building a friendship. But im the opposite. Just a warning i guess , to bail if youre gonna be disappointed. Dw i wont be offended at all. I just do things differently. If youre fine with that then thurs is good for me"

I definately saw this as a more positive reply and think my next message is fairly important. I am not going to bail, but what should my reply be? Results later

chipotle at 1?

Right ok so im a bit drunk but ya know. just got back frokm night out, she was obv there. predrinks finished, we all walk into town together, i get her alone and we chat. Basically i drunkenly end up telling her how fckuing mch i like her, and shes a bit taken aback, but says i like you too. But she also says having been with ehr boyfriend 2 years, she really loves him, but no longer in a love way, just as friend. but doesnt wanna hurt him and cant face dumping him. so im all like, do what you gotta do, think of yourself, etc etc. she ends up getting quite close to me on the walk, we get all kissy and cuddly and its all good.

then i blow up.

we enter club, fit french girl comes on to me. i thinkj "yeah sweet dance with her, make other girl jealous, then ship it". nope, other girl takes it horribly, doesnt speak to me. takes me 2 hours to chill her the **** out. she finally forgives me. me and the french did nothing but dance.
I ask her why shes so bothered considering there isnt anything goign on with us. shes just like "well afte rthe other night its a bit different" (no sex night)
then, end of the night, she spends last 30 kmins dancing with other guy. we get outside, im all like "wtf was the diff between what i did and what you just did" shes all like "ya know, you were more intimate and stuff" and im like "well we still did no more than you did." by this point im quite pissed at her hypocrisy and i let her know so. i ghet into a taxi with the right arse, we get back to campus, i go to bed, saying i'll call her later. she says ok and that we need to talk really.

F U GIRLS.

Definitely positive. Now you know she is interested but is interested in friendship building into a relationship. So boo yeah. Chipotle sounds great, ship it.

I am too tired to post now, but tomorrow I will explain what to do.

sounds like she is a little insane, but i wouldnt have played it any different than you. id probably go with the i was sloppy drunk excuse/route whatever.

i think people are thinking on way too high of a level. this is a freshman girl who just left her bf/ex bf for the first time. shes also going out and being free for the first time. shes playing tug of war with herself over what to do...be the nice girl from home, or go crazy now that shes away. seems like shes leaning to the go crazy side. when she goes nuts on him for no reason, its her drunk freshman girl emotions taking over.
i think our boy will be fine. i could seriously imagine a scenario that tomorrow he calls her at like 8 to come over, and she doesnt leave that night. he seems to have the charm factor down, totally gonna have just one big night of one thing leading to another.

Lol @ my tr.

She didn't really go crazy, more just wouldn't let me talk to her and stuff. I'm pretty sure we were cool by the end of the night, but I still need to ring her and sort things out.
She said she doesn't want to fully dump her boyfriend cos of what her family might think cos they really like him, and also cos he "doesn't deserve it" apparently. Lastly, she was like "what am I gonna do, single, with nothing to do on a night in, he wont be there to come over". I was just like ffs.

I'll talk to her later and see how it goes. She def has some sort of me - bf - other guy from back home tug of war going on though so I'm not gonna force anything.

Looking forward to your rely, bambam.

Omfg she's tilting me so hard. So we're all good, but obv the chat from last night comes up and we talk about her situation. See below...

Joe:
so we're good?

16:31Samantha

we're good

well..

it feels a bit up in the air
16:31Joe

what, after the "chat"?
16:32Samantha

er yeah
16:32Joe

well, its pretty much up to you..
16:32Samantha

well obviously I told you my situation with Robin *****her bf**** drunkenly..and expect you to keep that under locks as its a very gentle situation
16:32Joe

of course
16:32Samantha

and the Joe bristol thing..****the other guy not me****

its just a complicated time so..and like I said Iv tried to make these decisions..and I cant
16:33Joe

im not asking you to at all
16:33Samantha

no i know, but like just understand and that would be ciik

cool*
16:34Joe

as i said, its not like theres any rush. just do what you want to do, i know you obviously worry about other people but you gotta be a bit selfish
16:35Samantha

yeah..but i would much rather sacrifice my happyness for him
16:35Joe

but thats silly cos you're not actually gonna make him happy by not being honest with him
16:37Joe

i know its cringingly cliche but if he loves you then he'll just want you to be happy surely
16:38Samantha

yeah but if he thinks im happy then all is well
16:39Joe

so you're just gonna pretend everythings fine for the rest of your lives to avoid having to actually be honest?
16:40Samantha

yup

iv told u i cant hurt him so im not going to..

saves him, saves my familys judgement
16:42Joe

but you're still hurting him by making him think everythings fine when it isnt. be realistic, you're gonna be able to keep up that lie forever

so your family members have never broken up with anyone in their life ever..
16:43Samantha

you dont get it..it would be awful lol

they would get over it but urghhhhhh
16:44Joe

of course they would

their your family, not robins

*theyre
16:45Samantha

ughhh and then robins family...ah god haha

this situ is too deep
16:45Joe

sam im not being funnt, buts its a barely 2 year relationship. obviously its hard but christ, its hardly a 25 year marriage

*funny
16:47Samantha

this is my point..you dont get it

and im nto expecting you to

but like..saying that is so unhelpful
16:47Joe

a mum and dad splitting up, leaving 3 kids after being together for 20 years is a deep situation. i dont mean to be harsh, a but a teenage romance breaking up is so incredibly standard

im trying to be realistic..

no i know i dont get it
16:49Samantha

yeah, standard for you! Your longest relationship was 6 weeks..i would get over it, my family would get over it..obviously..but he wouldnt..and im not about to ruin his first year of uni for him. Considering everything he has done..to be here with me.
16:49Joe

my relationships are irrelevant, im talking in general

it was his choice.
16:51Joe

im just struggling to get my head around how naieve you're being about it. im really, really sorry if it sounds like im being a bit harsh.



Lord give me effing strength.

god, reminds me of my freshman year so much. it seriously brings back so many weird memories and situations that you really never see again after freshman year.

this situation is beyond standard because girls are stupid and dont understand basic concepts.

good fckn luck.

chick is really immature and seems like a she is very dependent on having a BF. so if you like her, and you are interested, tell her you can be that BF. but be wary imo because she isnt gonna grow up all of a sudden.

idk if KaraK still reads this thread but he has some personal experience if he was willing to expound on that reminds me of your situation.

they way you are talking to her there though is very good and i like how you did it.

Sad but true

I agree completely, she is very immature, and is very dependent. She is stuck in the rut of doing the same thing that it becomes like breathing. I had the exact same situation happen to me. I would share if you are interested in getting her as your gf for a relationship. But if you are just going to keep it up as a **** buddy keep doing what you are doing.

imo a **** buddy is not a "true" option with her, because she is gonna become attached.

True, but some of these types of girls end up breaking out of their shell and **** buddy becomes an option. But you are right atm **** buddy will turn into a relationship which imo its a win win.

feel like calling that chick and seeing if she wants to get lunch tomorrow.
probably a bad move...dont really care though.

i dunno how she could say she doesn't love/is over him if she would sacrifice her happiness for his but w.e. it depends if ya looking for a long term thing or something short relationship that will shape ya next play imo. if u were to jst tough it out keep, having bit of fun here and there with her, if/when she breaks up with her bf u'll be straight in but she will then fall in love with u no doubt and become clingy but if that wat ya looking for go for it. or u could jst keep pressuring her and give her an ultimatium or something but that wuld fail imo.

girls have trouble breaking away from their first relationship because they have never cared about a guy before and they know the guy cares about them. this is a thing that happens a lot, and the girl honestly does not want to hurt the guy. she has no idea how life/relationships work at this point.

I'd cut my losses if I were you RunThyme, unless you really really like her.

lots of ****ing around right there

Gl and let us know how it goes

already revamped my plan. gonna just call her as im leaving my place to actually go get food. will lay 10:1 on her saying yes. when she says no, ill guilt trip her to make myself feel better.

I didn't read any details of your situation, but I'll speak generally. Feel free to share any details with me, if you want, and I'll address them. I just don't feel like wading back through posts in detail at the moment.

A class of girls exist, especially college-aged girls who aren't quite mature yet, that kind of "need" a relationship at all times. Typically they suffer from self-confidence issues and have been in relationships ever since they were old enough to date. There may be, and usually are, other underlying issues.

Approach these girls with caution and be careful with how attached you get. Unless they have gone through some phase of personal revival or have finally been single for a stretch, they will most likely swing to the next branch eventually. In addition, they can be very clingy and will often have specific demands for what they feel should be included in a relationship. Some may be reasonable. Some may not be.

I wouldn't advise you to stay away, but to be cautious. I was in a situation where a lot of friends warned me to back off a girl who exhibited some (if not all) of these characteristics; I didn't and the end result was not pretty. However, I can't say I really regret doing it. I learned a lot about myself and a lot of valuable lessons about women and what I want in a potential life mate. Most relationships fail. That's not an uncommon result. You just need to learn from that failure and apply it to your next relationship.

Simply approach with caution. If you are the type of guy who easily gets very attached and will get soulcrushed when even the most insignificant relationship ends, you may want to entertain the idea of staying away.

On another note:

I just skimmed through this thread. There's a mixture of very good and downright awful advice. It's good entertainment, at least. I may read it more often.

Most women have trouble breaking away from ANY relationship, not just a first one. It takes a lot for a girl to initiate a breakup, regardless of how much relationship experience she has.

Obviously this doesn't apply to all women, but in my experience it applies to most.

Example: I have a close female friend right now who has confessed to me that she a) doesn't love her boyfriend anymore, b) sees no future with him (she actually called him a "loser" with "no good future job prospects"), c) really doesn't even find him attractive and has no interest in him physically, and, finally, d) sees him as nothing more than a friend.

I guarantee you it will take her at least a month or two to finally initiate the breakup. She just can't bring herself to do it. She doesn't want to hurt him. She doesn't want to lose her friend. She doesn't want to lose the familiarity she has in her every day life.

Is it ****ty? Sure, but pretty standard, especially in women who err to the side of clingy and dependent. The type of girls I spoke to in my earlier post, the "branch swingers," will cling to a ****ty relationship eternally until something better/different/new comes along.

A strong, more mature woman may not hesitate to break up in a given situation, but since this thread is dedicated to college aged girls, we aren't going to find many of those strong, mature women in these situations. That's not their fault, but it's just a fact of college life.