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Old 10-26-2011, 12:21 PM   #1
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Quite a major crossroads/ decision point in my life. tl/dr cliffs at bottom

Background:

I graduated from a very average university with a very average degree (2.2 Bsc in business management) in July 2010. my teachers always told me and my parents I was the type of person who is extremely bright but very lazy/ big underachiever, and this proved the case throughout my whole education.

I had begun playing poker through university, had made a lot of money relative to everyone I knew in real life, and with the job market as it is, I knew there wasn't much chance of getting a super good job straight out of uni so I decided to go pro. With the situation in the UK that you don't have to pay tax on gambling winnings, and you don't have to pay back any of your student loan/ tuition fees until you're in a taxable job worth ~£15k+ a year, it seemed like a no brainer. My aim was always to make enough money that I could start a business. I wanted to get into property development, either buying to let or buying to renovate/sell. This was feasible in the area I went to university, as following the recession there is a lot of house repossessions available for extremely quick cheap sale, and a huge rental market.

Anyway, 8-9months on, I had made a decent amount of money from poker but it was getting extremely boring/lonely just sitting inside grinding all day on my own. Added to that I was living in a ballin' apartment which cost a lot rent wise, and I ran somewhere around $10k below ev (50 buyins at nl200 which is what I was playing) over the course of a couple of months in February/March. My friends would be at work or studying all day, my GF had to work insane hours at that time so wasn't around to 'take my mind off it' and it started to get depressing. A poker/ life balance became impossible whilst throughout university it was totally fine. Added to that I had 5 figures locked on Full Tilt when it went down depsite trying to cash it out beforehand.

I decided to go backpacking, starting in Hong Kong in June, with the plan of then moving onto Bangkok and through south-east Asia looking to move into a poker house somewhere tropical. Didn't really have a planned timeframe, money wasn't really an issue as I (naively) planned to play be able to play poker for a few hours a week, (naively/ arrogantly) thought it would be OK with my GF - she had exams to do for work and I told her I would fly her out there to join me after she had finished them. Was awesome fun for the first few weeks, but then it got to the stage where I wasnt playing any poker, wasnt able to keep up with running my website, and things with me and my GF went downhill, mainly through the time difference, her work hours, and where she lived didn't have internet, making it impossible to skype or whatever (phoning worked out insanely expensive too).

Problem:

I came home after 3months, have been home 1 month now. We got everything sorted between us, I started playing poker again and got my website back on track. I was/am getting back into poker with a new drive and had clear aims for next year. Our plans were to move in together at the beginning of next year, and I was going to try and hit supernova elite, or get very close to it, making it so that I could basically quit playing poker and get into property/ some other business with poker just being a hobby or something that I do for coaching etc. she was going to get a new job which meant she would be working 9-5 and we would have lots of time to do fun stuff and get away from the computer.

However, my GF had an accident falling off a horse a long time ago and fractured her coccyx. It had gotten better however, was deteriorating over time. she has, within the last fortnight, been told she has to have a couple major spinal operations over the next few months and could be hospitalised for a long time recovering (shes actually been told she might never recover). Although we have been together for 2 years, I'm 22 and she's 24, so quite naturally we have decided it's best for us to break up and look to get back together if/when she recovers (fwiw, it was actually her suggestion. she said I can do anything with my life/shouldn't wait around for her in case she doesn't recover, and initially I objected and said I want to be there for her).

Options:

This has obviously messed up my plans and puts me in a strange spot because it leaves my options as

1) moving back in with my mum and basically living on my own to grind SNE. It would be an extremely cheap option and force me to grind, however a poker/life balance could be difficult because I will on my own all day and obv my friends aren't around to hang out every single evening.

2) move to Phuket for 6months and live in a poker house. This would end up being quite expensive, both in actual and opportunity cost because I would be doing a lot more fun/social activities, as well as playing significantly less volume of poker. Originally I wanted to do it, but I think my mentality has changed in the past few months (I didn't used to ever worry about where I would be in a few years time).

I have enough money that I'm not worried for the short term, but I am trying to think about where I want to be in life 1, 2, 3 years from now and although moving to Phuket or somewhere would be extremely enjoyable and good fun for the next few months, it doesn't move me forward in life, and I'm wondering whether anyone has any advice. Granted life isn't all about money, but I do worry about the future and my credentials to land a good job just aren't great at all.


Cliffs:
  • became poker pro out of circumstance more than through choice.
  • A year on and I haven't really moved forward.
  • black friday didn't exactly fill me with confidence about the future of online poker.
  • want to move forward in some way.
  • Choice between making a huge push for supernova elite then trying to move on in life, or going to phuket and just having a fun time without worrying about the future.

I have spoken to my friends about it who are kind of split on the decision because some say:
“stay at home, have 1 huge year of trying to make supernova elite then go and enjoy yourself once you have the money behind you”,

and the others who are saying:
“you have no commitments, don't worry about the future, go out there and have an awesome time”.

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Old 10-26-2011, 05:40 PM   #2
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Re: Quite a major crossroads/ decision point in my life. tl/dr cliffs at bottom

I wish I had enough life experience to offer some sort of advice. One thing I will say though, I'm very sorry to hear about you and your gf (or ex gf as it is now I suppose). That's a really ****ing ****ty situation.

Good luck with your decision. If money is no problem, I'd suggest taking a holiday somewhere cool where you can chill for a while might be a cool idea. Give you some time to think all this through and stuff.
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Old 10-28-2011, 08:18 PM   #3
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3) Live at home and find a real job/passion/career. You basically have a freeroll for a while to do something with your life. Don't waste it playing poker, especially now.
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Old 10-29-2011, 01:30 PM   #4
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Life-time graph?
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Old 10-29-2011, 04:23 PM   #5
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Re: Quite a major crossroads/ decision point in my life. tl/dr cliffs at bottom

Poker or poker is no choice at all.
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Old 10-31-2011, 02:21 PM   #6
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3) Live at home and find a real job/passion/career. You basically have a freeroll for a while to do something with your life. Don't waste it playing poker, especially now.
If it only it were that easy...

Poker isn't going away, neither is the internet. In a few years time it will become a staple, just as the lottery is. What do you want out of life? Money? Responsibility? Do you need to show up somewhere 9-5, M-F to feel accomplished? Is that what you're after? Or are you looking to find a job/passion/career? To me, it sounds like already you have it in poker.

My advice to you: do what feels right. If the thought of grinding SNE living at home is appealing to you, go for it with all your might. If that thought is appalling and would drive you insane, get as far away from it as possible. Travel the world, go to Thailand, but do it with all your might. You have a tremendous opportunity to do whatever makes you happy and the financials to allow you to do it, capitalize on it with all your might.

Even if you're grinding at home you can still learn new skills or about the business you mentioned. Even if you're grinding poker living in Phuket you can learn new skills, a new language, and even unique business opportunities available only in Thailand.

The world is what YOU make it. You can do whatever the **** you want, REALIZE THIS!!! The hard part is finding out what that is. You have all of the necessary resources just go out and make it happen!
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Old 11-05-2011, 12:30 AM   #7
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Re: Quite a major crossroads/ decision point in my life. tl/dr cliffs at bottom

Jack,
I am kind of in the same situation as you currently but I kind of started backwards. I have already started my own Property Management/Development company and I am now looking into taking Poker more seriously. I plan to eventually do a lot of travel etc. and would like Poker to be a part of that. So from my standpoint I would say that moving to Thailand and living in a Poker House sounds amazing but that just because it's something I want to do. However managing/developing a Property is incredibly rewarding in itself because you get to watch as your plans are brought to life and all the sudden the 1st of the months becomes your favorite day .
All in all I think that Property Development is probably the way to go the earlier you start the better it is and it sounds like this crossroad is the perfect time for you to begin on that journey.
PM me sometime if you ever want to chat about anything developing/poker related man and good luck with your decision .
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Old 11-05-2011, 01:16 PM   #8
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I really can't imagine putting in all the effort for SNE and then quitting. You'd be giving up the biggest benefit of getting SNE. At minimum I would think you would go for it again the next year.
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Old 01-09-2012, 06:51 AM   #9
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Re: Quite a major crossroads/ decision point in my life. tl/dr cliffs at bottom

Hi Jack.
Bit late on this one.
Your stuff is amazing so I sincerely hope you carry on coaching etc!!
Get into property when you have the money. I am semi involved. I started by buying a cheap 3 bedroom place, living in it and renting the two other rooms out. I would think doing something like that and poker would soon get you going?
Anyway, GL whatever you do. You've helped me loads so thank you very much.
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Old 01-09-2012, 12:06 PM   #10
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Re: Quite a major crossroads/ decision point in my life. tl/dr cliffs at bottom

thanks mate.

spent last couple months exploring ideas, was considering starting up a business (had a plan, lots of research etc and was on the verge of applying for funding), then an awesome house became available in Phuket, Thailand. way too much of an opportunity to miss out on, especially as I won't have chance to take breaks if i start a business or start a proper career.

So yeah, moving to Thailand for the foreseeable future, if it goes well then it will be the best thing I've ever done. If it goes badly, then I can come home and be in the same position I am now, so I don't think I have anything to lose by going!

SNE is something that I could never achieve - I realised after practicising that I dont have the personality to be able to sit at a PC and concentrate on playing poker for 7-8 hours a day. Property will hopefully happen soon-ish, but moving to Thailand will hopefully take my mind off it and let me relax and play poker whereas being in the UK will keep me stressing that I don't have enough money to do it yet.
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Old 02-06-2012, 05:59 AM   #11
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I'm sorry you couldn't finish this thread. jack was a true stand up guy/go-getter.?rest in peace friend.
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Old 02-06-2012, 06:59 AM   #12
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Terrible terrible news. What a great guy you are Jack, rest in peace friend.
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Old 02-06-2012, 07:15 AM   #13
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wow what happened Dimples?
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Old 02-06-2012, 07:22 AM   #14
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Unfortunately Jack has passed away in a motorcycle accident. I'll link the other threads for you.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56.../#post31369978
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Old 02-06-2012, 08:37 PM   #15
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Terrible news. RIP man.

Atleast he spent his last few weeks doing something he enjoyed.
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