i dont argue for online degrees from online schools never did

hahahahahaha O RLY

lets recap. this is from post #8 in the thread:
here, i clearly make the distinction between online degrees from online schools, and online degrees from actually respected schools.

and then here, you ignore that and try to establish that such a thing as a respected online school exists. it doesnt.

for someone that wasnt ever arguing for online degrees from online schools, you sure seemed concerned with talking about online degrees from online schools!

lets take a moment to appreciate this. you literally JUST MADE THE SAME EXACT POINT that i made over 100 posts ago, which you initially argued against.

you have sufficiently embarrassed yourself, congratulations.

WASC is not the "best". It's one of several regional accreditations in the US. All west coast schools are WASC accredited (the W stands for west). There's also a south, north, middle, northeast, etc. accrediting body. If you're interested in applying credits earned online to another school you should make sure it's accredited by the same accrediting body. There is also a national accreditation that online schools usually have -- all of these are a joke and won't transfer to actual schools because actual schools are only regionally accredited.

I may have mispoke i didnt mean to imply WASC was better than the other five regional accredidations i ment to say that WASC was the best accredidation National could have because its located in california. It seems other people disagree but i feel regional accredidation is the best accredidation out there which is a pretty widely accepted idea.

As has been said, there are fields where the degree is fairly meaningless if the institution has just the regional accreditation but not the accreditation from the national organization for that particular field.

Fairly meaningless might be an overstatement, I'll admit, because it might depend on what exactly one wants to with the degree.

For instance, the wiki article article on accreditation talks about the programmatic accreditation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...#United_States) and that's what we're talking about here.

The ABET page states that "ABET accredits post-secondary degree-granting programs offered by institutions that are regionally accredited in the U.S. and nationally accredited outside of the U.S. Certification, training, or doctoral programs are not accredited."

In other words, they ALREADY WERE regionally accredited, and this programmatic accreditation is on top of the regional accreditation. On other words, more...

The page continues on to say that "To become a licensed professional engineer, one common prerequisite is graduation from an EAC or TAC of ABET-accredited program." Regional accreditation isn't enough...

And please tell me, GAl, that you understand the difference between regional accreditation and programmatic accreditation. It looks like you have the difference between national and regional accrediting bodies, but for all that you've been telling others they don't understand, it appears you don't understand what programmatic accreditation is about.

I do understand the difference but please tell me you understand the difference between different majors. I clearly stated when talking bout national that it had a respected school of education and your argument against it was to trash its engineering program really? Come on you can do better than that you want to argue the point then stay on topic dont randomly start talking bout engineering when thats not what i brought up in the first place. If you want to talk about programmatic accredidation then try talking bout the program being discussed not which ever fits your argument.

Given your very recent previous quotes, I don't think that's the case...

Tell me you understand the difference between different posters. I was never talking "bout" "national".

But--why do you get to bring up one field (education) but get to tell everyone else not to talk about another field (engineering)? Especially when the engineering portion of the conversation was brought up to illustrate a general point, while the education portion was brought up for a different reason.

Ah, I should remember DNFTT, but sometimes it's fun.

different poster? your all the same you try and trash my opinions yet you have yet to offer any proof that my idea about traditional universities is wrong.

So you can't differentiate between posters. Wow...

It has been a really long time since I legitimately enjoyed reading an SL thread, thank you GAlman for your selfless contribution.

Clearly not what i said. And wow you refuse to offer any proof to support your position could that be because you know your wrong?

Programmatic accreditation is for the program. Programmatic accreditation is nation-wide, so if you go to nursing school your nursing program will be accredited by some national nursing organization.

Regional vs national accreditation is for the whole university. Regional is good, national is not.

so, semi-ignoring ignoring the idiocy of Galman, I will say that as a manager if I see an online degree on someone's resume (and I'd consider National University online for these purposes (anywhere that has online campuses all over the place in random office buildings is a traditional B&M university) I immediately throw it away. It shows a huge lack of judgment on the part of the applicant, and I don't want someone who is going to throw away tens of thousands of dollars on a worthless piece of paper to come working for me.

Really the only exception is if I saw someone talking 'classes' at places like EDx or Coursera, which are fully online but associated with actual quality universities and don't charge. Those are indicative of someone attempting to develop their skill set and improve their employability. National U is indicative of someone who has no clue what they're doing getting a ****ty diploma because they think that'll get them a better job.

Haha, this clown is quite entertaining to read. He still doesn't understand accreditation.


Hint: All schools will get accredited regionally (if they are legitimate). Many of their programs will be accredited from specific organizations to legitimize those programs.

National being accredited regionally means nothing more than it is not a complete joke. Community colleges are accredited as well.

do you throw them away in a more respected and accepted garbage can these days? if not, you should. this isnt the 1900s anymore.

**** your accredited school

www.edx.org

Well i was talking about nationals school of education which credentials more teachers than any other school in california. Since you dont work in education how can you possible have such a strong opinion about the school? i have had this same conversation with a few high school principles and they have no problem with degrees from national. But i guess you know better even though your not involved with education at all.

If you wana stay off topic and keep talking bout national fine but throwing community colleges under the bus to really? There is absolutely nothing wrong with attending a community college.

so harvard and MIT are all for online education yet people on here think online education is a joke?

Your reading comprehension is baffling. Did you even graduate elementary school? Where did I throw community colleges under the bus? I said that even community colleges are accredited, so your point about National being accredited really means nothing. Further accreditations in certain departments are far more telling about how good the school really is than an overall accreditation that almost every school has.


And I attended a community college myself. The quality of teaching there is generally better than a lot of 4 year universities. Professors are there to teach rather than do research.

Yeah you said even community colleges are accredited which implys that accredidation means little cuz even ccs are accredited. Also what is wrong with nationals departmental accredidations since you seem hell bent on talking about national

quality.

National University has been accredited by the Accrediting Commission for Senior Colleges and Universities of the Western Association of Schools and Colleges (WASC) since 1977, the same body which accredits all of the major universities and colleges in California, Hawaii, Guam and the Pacific Basin.

In addition to being accredited by WASC, National University also is:
•Approved by the Commission on Teacher Credentialing (CTC)
•Approved by the Commission on Collegiate Nursing Education (CCNE)
•Accredited by the International Assembly for Collegiate Business Education (IACBE)
•A member of the American Association of Colleges for Teacher Education (AACTE)
•A member of the Council of Colleges of Arts and Sciences (CCAS)
•National University's English Language Programs are accredited by the American Association of Intensive English Programs (AAIEP)

Clearly i have been saying all along that my position is that traditional univeristies offering online degrees are perfectly legit that includes EDx so what are you arguing exactly?