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Old 02-08-2012, 01:45 PM   #8686
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Is that good or bad?
it's extremely good. 2k in meds is usually like 1 doctor's visit. Slip and falls are super hard b/c you have to be a dumbass to slip and fall usually, and you have to prove that the defendant knew or should have known of the condition, or did something negligent to cause the condition. Here, we alleged they mopped, but they had a good denial. If I were the defense, I would have said "yeah we mopped, big fing deal, we are supposed to mop. "

Then, your client looks like an ******* when he asks for some ridiculous amount of money and juries hate people like that usually. Very interesting case...the defense lawyer was good at what he was doing (i.e. witness examination/cross/open/close), but did a pretty poor job in my opinion on his overall defense.

I was trying to watch as neutral as possible and their side just came off like the bad guy when they didn't have to be.

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That's absolute crazy talk. 200k is crazy talk. What jurisdiction are you in? Slip and fall soft tissue (which I assume it is for 2k in meds) here in Oregon without crazy, crazy facts might get you 10k NE, if you're lucky. Oregon juries are drinking the tort reform kool aid.
Probably worse forum: Texas. Verdict was technically 27k too so even better. Don't know if anyone else around the country is familiar with "paid or incurred", but it absolutely screws us. The guy had 7-8k in meds but we can only show 2k to the jury b/c of insurance. Our guy was advised to explain his ridiculous demand in a really smart way though: "I'd pay $50 per day since this happened for this pain to go away." Adds up.

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Old 02-08-2012, 02:30 PM   #8687
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Quick question: Would the lack of good/relevant LORs kill your application to a Law school where your GPA/LSAT index is easily above their admission standards(tho as an extreme splitter)? Asking professors I barely knew 3 years ago(over email) to write letters has been a challenge. The schools in question are just regional ones(I understand they may be very -$ev, but I'm ok with that).

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Old 02-08-2012, 02:46 PM   #8688
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as long as you meet the minimum required letters and the letters don't indicate you are a serial killer, no.
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Old 02-08-2012, 02:51 PM   #8689
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My LORs were all non-academic. I just asked people from my workplace to vouch for me. My cycle went fine.
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:28 PM   #8690
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I can't help with the business end of getting started, but some of the best advice I can think of in terms of actually practicing is to join multiple sections and/or organizations of your state's bar. If you're starting out on your own, chances are you're going to be taking anything that walks in the door (areas of law, not specific cases), which is probably going to be at least a little bit of plaintiffs PI. Join your state's plaintiffs' organization, and any message boards they have. Same for criminal defense association, if that might be your thing.
You'll get some help when you need it, and can glean a lot of information from the posts of others.



That's absolute crazy talk. 200k is crazy talk. What jurisdiction are you in? Slip and fall soft tissue (which I assume it is for 2k in meds) here in Oregon without crazy, crazy facts might get you 10k NE, if you're lucky. Oregon juries are drinking the tort reform kool aid.
IN Portland?
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:31 PM   #8691
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The schools in question are just regional ones(I understand they may be very -$ev, but I'm ok with that).
Cool. While you're at it can I borrow $60k? I have this buddy in Mali who says he'll hook me up with $2M/yr if I just send him $60k to buy his family's diamond mine from the military. I know it seems a little suspicious but this guy is TOTALLY LEGIT.

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as long as you meet the minimum required letters and the letters don't indicate you are a serial killer, no.
Yeah, the rule for law school is one murder or fewer.

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Old 02-08-2012, 05:33 PM   #8692
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IN Portland?
In Portland (and Multnomah County in general) it's going to be hire, but not by much. There are several Oregon counties where you might as well not even try if you have minimal property damage and a soft tissue injury. I get monthly verdict reports, and its crazy how many defense verdicts you get on admitted liability cases (doesn't seem right, I know).
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Old 02-08-2012, 06:51 PM   #8693
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Cool. While you're at it can I borrow $60k? I have this buddy in Mali who says he'll hook me up with $2M/yr if I just send him $60k to buy his family's diamond mine from the military. I know it seems a little suspicious but this guy is TOTALLY LEGIT.



Yeah, the rule for law school is one murder or fewer.
That's going to be the most awkward Criminal Law cold call ever. 2nd place goes to his C&F hearing.
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Old 02-08-2012, 06:58 PM   #8694
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LORs are the most worthless thing in your app

schools know that the LOR writers are lying. its basically a test to keep out the super freaks who cant find 2 people on the planet to say xyz is a nice guy.
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Old 02-09-2012, 10:31 PM   #8695
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LORs are the most worthless thing in your app

schools know that the LOR writers are lying. its basically a test to keep out the super freaks who cant find 2 people on the planet to say xyz is a nice guy.
Unless of course your LOR writer is known at the school or has a friend on the schools board of overseers or trustees ect.
I do well with recommendations at my alma mater but I lecture there, give $$$ and go to the faculty alumni things. YMMV.

Good luck

PS, as for -EV depending on what you want to do with your degree it might be very +EV especially if you own your own business and are tired of getting huge legal bill for stuff you could do well on your own if you knew how to do it.
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Old 02-09-2012, 10:35 PM   #8696
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The advice I always hear proffered is find a mentor.
ACShark was recently looking for someone to write a brief. You should apply to that if it's not too late.
We are still looking for the writer. It is going to be an interesting one. All criminal law briefs are interesting.

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AC Shark has some long posts on this subject that hit on a lot of the good advice that I have gotten.
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Thanks AJ.......searched and found a golden post that AC made (per usual) on 11/23.
You guys are really quite kind.

Shipit, you can always ring me up. Send me a message and I will provide my numbers. I will be playing this weekend in another city but I will try to look on here during breaks. (Assuming I make it to the breaks...)
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Old 02-10-2012, 08:35 PM   #8697
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PS, as for -EV depending on what you want to do with your degree it might be very +EV especially if you own your own business and are tired of getting huge legal bill for stuff you could do well on your own if you knew how to do it.
Uhh this is a really bad reason to go to law school and there's no way it's +EV no matter how you are calculating it... unless someone is paying for your school in its entirety + a salary to make up for any lost opportunity cost.

law school costs like 1/4 of a million dolllars (not considering opportunity cost), takes up 3 years of your life and doesn't offer great employment opportunities in the current economy. you have to REALLY want to be a lawyer to make a commitment like that.
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Old 02-10-2012, 08:42 PM   #8698
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Shipped publication editor on law review. Looking forward to a 3L year without the bluebook
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Old 02-10-2012, 09:41 PM   #8699
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I guess he means like your business regularly racks up 50k in legal bills a year and you could run your business while going to school. Maybe that's a reason?
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:14 PM   #8700
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My small business clients come to me because the time spent drafting and reviewing employment contracts, non-disclosure agreements, leases, etc. and dealing with government red tape is more profitably spent running their businesses, and it is worth the costs of legal representation to have things done right and to have someone else think about how to handle this stuff. The most expensive projects are the ones where people have tried to play Delaware lawyer and I have to come in and clean up the mess. Unless you are a quick learner and have a good network of resources, dabbling in any area of the law is playing with fire.
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