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Old 07-27-2017, 02:14 AM   #13051
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Like Sam I just finished the bar exam, and took in NY so UBE.

I do not feel good about it at all. I primarily used Adaptibar for my MBE prep, which supposedly offers real MBE questions whereas Barbri and other prep courses do not.

I was killing it on there. The overall percentage correct for all Adaptibar users was about 62%, and mine was 76% (which is high enough that I am eligible for their 105% of purchase price money back guarantee if I fail) and felt uber confident going into today, only to find that the questions I saw today did not at all resemble the questions on Adaptibar. On Adaptibar I knew the answer confidently 90+% of the time. Today, there were at least 40-50 questions I had to straight up guess after trying to narrow it.

I also bombed the MPT. Didn't finish either one and just didn't feel confident about my answers. ugh.

I may have passed, but it will be a sweat for sure. I feel much more uneasy than I was hoping and will be worried now until November.

Oh, and I without a doubt studied as much or more than the average test taker.

So yes maddog, the fear is real. It's just a difficult exam objectively, even if most people end up passing due to the curve. And I agree with LKJ, I think there are enough variables in guessing on MBE questions that lots of people who pass could have easily failed had they just guessed the other way on a bunch, and I will include myself in that (assuming I manage to skate through).

And all that is in a UBE state with an average minimum score needed to pass among the UBE states (NY you need 266/400, some states you only need 260 but some you need 270 or higher). I imagine in Cali and other places where the bar passage rate is like 40% (or 60 for first time takers or whatever) that this experience is even doubly traumatic.
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Old 08-02-2017, 02:30 PM   #13052
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I'm very worried about the UBE as well. I didn't feel confident in the slightest. I didn't study near as much as I should have on the essays I guess. I basically learned all the material doing a ridiculous amount of multiple choice questions and learning through failure and I was really confident going in but going out I just felt like there were maybe 30 questions on the entire test I was 100% on then an absurd amount I was only like 65% on and a few I had no idea on.

I didn't put any effort into essays until about a week left thinking that my state is 50/30/20 mpt and at least two of the essays would be mbe topics so learning 8 new subjects for 20% of the tests wasn't high on my agenda but i should have memorized some basic rules better . I thought I would do below average on essays and crush multiple choice but I can't imagine I did that well on them. We will see . The only thing keeping me from full on panic is that basically everyone seemed to feel the same way and I only have to beat out about 80%. Definitely think multiple choice has a ton of variance . I would never ever judge anyone negatively for failing after taking the test it was a lot of pressure and quite difficult

I only wrote about 1k words on each mpt and around 550ish on each essay on average which seems way way too low when there is such a high correlation between essay length and grade in law school . I really needed to regurgitate more bs . Oh well . I won't die if I have to take it again but that says more about my privilege than anything else . If I was in a state where I had s bunch of state specific essays I surely would have failed but I am in one of the easiest states so I'm lucky

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Old 08-11-2017, 12:40 PM   #13053
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ready to get back to law school grind and not write any more motions.
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Old 08-14-2017, 07:14 AM   #13054
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But how many (motions) did you lose?
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Old 08-14-2017, 11:03 AM   #13055
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none yet, motions where I'm from take 6 months to a year to decide.
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Old 08-14-2017, 11:07 AM   #13056
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That's hilarious, back to law school to escape the law practice grind. Get ready!
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Old 08-15-2017, 09:12 PM   #13057
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i like motions practice
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Old 08-16-2017, 04:23 PM   #13058
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Actually don't want to go back now, we might have a specific performance lawsuit brewing, which I didn't even really think happened outside of old cases in contracts class.

Basic facts: we represent sellers in residential real estate transaction. K fully executed and delivered July 19. Purchasers get termite inspection done, house is riddled with termite damage, it will cost over 30k to remedy.

K says purchasers must provide notice of termite damage within 10 days of execution or termite claims are waived. We get notice of termite damage August 10 (22 days too late).

Attorney here drafts letter to opposing counsel that basically says, sorry not sorry, notice not served in time, deal must close as scheduled.

Seller attorney snaps back demanding cancellation of the K and return of down payment.

Closing date is end of next month, if purchasers are a no-show, most likely filing suit to keep the down payment.

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Old 08-17-2017, 05:33 AM   #13059
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idk about irl, but that's a slam dunk bar hypo. Was also an essay on the CA bar (specific performance, that is).
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Old Yesterday, 09:06 AM   #13060
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Yeah, it's not a perfect specific performance problem because our client's remedy is retaining the down payment - and clearly the purchaser does not want the house now. But def a real life good property hypo. Now it's really just a matter of who is going to sue the other party first.
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Old Yesterday, 10:28 AM   #13061
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Just got back from the wildest PFA hearing. Opposing side tried to bring a PFA against my CL.

This guy subpoena'd 7 people, including 3 minors. The incident occurred at a McDonald's parking lot where allegedly my CL made him threatened for his life by calling the police (no joke). This guy even brought in the McDonald's shift manager, who's only testimony was, "I don't know, I wasn't out there. I was inside." lol.

Judge went off on this guy before the end of the hearing and he actually threatened to hold him in contempt because he kept interrupting the Judge lol. First time I had seen that happen irl.

Finally, after it's pretty much over, I asked for my petition for counsel fees to be heard. Judge just says, "No" and leaves the bench. Not like I expect to get counsel fees, but just seems like you encourage this type of wild behavior in family law if you don't punish bad actors with fees/contempt/etc. So, this guy just put on a circus for 2 hours, had no repercussions because of it, and my CL had to pay for my legal services to defend herself. Seems like if you're a bad actor, no reason not to try, you know?

Idk, just didn't know if others in family law have had success getting fees or not. Only my second time trying for them, and I know they are notoriously hard to get (atleast in my area), but this seemed like a slam-dunk fees assessed situation.
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Old Yesterday, 10:48 PM   #13062
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Yeah, it's not a perfect specific performance problem because our client's remedy is retaining the down payment - and clearly the purchaser does not want the house now. But def a real life good property hypo. Now it's really just a matter of who is going to sue the other party first.
Not trying to be a dick but I'm confused. You said it was a specific performance problem then you said it isn't. I agree that it is not because you're not forcing sale of the house.

Also I think that's a bad hypo because there are no two sides of that fight. there's not much to discuss. It is however not surprising and pretty incredible how lazy real estate can be from what I've seen and heard. I think it's better now after the crash but they are so whatever about title searches and some of the due diligence. Astounding.
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Old Yesterday, 11:30 PM   #13063
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Just got back from the wildest PFA hearing. Opposing side tried to bring a PFA against my CL.

This guy subpoena'd 7 people, including 3 minors. The incident occurred at a McDonald's parking lot where allegedly my CL made him threatened for his life by calling the police (no joke). This guy even brought in the McDonald's shift manager, who's only testimony was, "I don't know, I wasn't out there. I was inside." lol.

Judge went off on this guy before the end of the hearing and he actually threatened to hold him in contempt because he kept interrupting the Judge lol. First time I had seen that happen irl.

Finally, after it's pretty much over, I asked for my petition for counsel fees to be heard. Judge just says, "No" and leaves the bench. Not like I expect to get counsel fees, but just seems like you encourage this type of wild behavior in family law if you don't punish bad actors with fees/contempt/etc. So, this guy just put on a circus for 2 hours, had no repercussions because of it, and my CL had to pay for my legal services to defend herself. Seems like if you're a bad actor, no reason not to try, you know?

Idk, just didn't know if others in family law have had success getting fees or not. Only my second time trying for them, and I know they are notoriously hard to get (atleast in my area), but this seemed like a slam-dunk fees assessed situation.
We ask for prevailing party and/or bad faith fees in just about all proceedings (I do family law in Vegas). I'd estimate we get at least something like 15-20% of the time we prevail? So yeah, not that high.

I had to look up PFA, but it looks like it's the same as our TPO (Temporary Protection Order) stuff. We only do those when they're part of a custody/divorce case, & I have almost no personal experience with them, so I can't speak to that much.
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Old Today, 01:27 PM   #13064
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We ask for prevailing party and/or bad faith fees in just about all proceedings (I do family law in Vegas). I'd estimate we get at least something like 15-20% of the time we prevail? So yeah, not that high.

I had to look up PFA, but it looks like it's the same as our TPO (Temporary Protection Order) stuff. We only do those when they're part of a custody/divorce case, & I have almost no personal experience with them, so I can't speak to that much.
Yeah, we call them "Protection From Abuse PFA" in Pennsylvania. But, yeah, pretty much same thing. I did only victim work in law school in a clinic, but in practice, I've only ever defended against them.

15% isn't bad tbh, I expected it to be even lower. But right, the point being, if you don't punish these people, seems like they'll never stop bringing ridiculous claims. I'm all for giving some leeway to pro se people, but by not enforcing fees, court just allows these guys to cause a tidal wave of destruction and then just wash their hands of the entire situation. Meh, just my experience so far is all.

Long story short: can't wait to get the wills/trusts/estates practice going more. Family law is good to cut teeth on, and I'm happy for the court experience, but man, the drama is out of control sometimes.
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