GG,

You should write a letter to the president. Address it, "Dear. Pres. N*** (It's OK, I have black friends!)" Please post TR. Thanks.

Yeah another super lol point. And of course they are, if you allow your jimmies to be rustled by ignorant white kids on the Internet, you're gonna have a rough life. Nearly every black kid in America has to grow up that way, it's emotional survival to not care.

Custer, it's great that you (probably) aren't offending people in your narrow corner of the world, but your vague allusions to expertise are laughable. Blindly attributing disapproval to "white guilt" and trying to speak for all of Black America as if there's a singular viewpoint is the kind of oversimplification that children make. There's a wide world out there where people are often different than your friends. Some of us have been in different worlds and seen the effects language like that can have.

Very happy to see "some of my best friends are black" making an appearance in this discussion.

The **** are you on about? First off I rarely use it. I gave one example, which is basically the only recent example I can think of, and it was for comedic value. In which case any derogatory message one might infer from that use can be over shadowed by the comedy. Now i know you are simply going to say, well yea it isn't funny. Whatever.

I am arguing that a word is not racist without context. And any reasonable person of any race should understand this. I am also extremely confused where I ever even hinted to speaking for black america, if anything the people representing the other argument are doing that much more than me. I am merely arguing over the semantics of the word. Racism, implies intent, so to me my understanding of the term casually racist, still implies intent.something not being Politically correct, imo, is a catchall for things that shouldn't be said, but dont satisfy the metric of intent about superiority/inferiority.

In the end of the day, I stand by what GG said as not being racist.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions, and others by their actions."

Ugh, I didn't want to get into it, but racism doesn't imply intent at all. I don't even know what "intent" you mean, intent to do what? Offend someone? Of course that's not necessary. You have a million assumptions throughout your posts (this being one of them) that are so ridiculous that makes it not even worth addressing.

Look man, it's simple: GoodGame is a white kid using the word to describe people he doesn't know on a public forum on the internet. This isn't him saying, "hi," in a stupid and ignorant way*. This is him posting for shock value. For example, when someone like dkgojackets reads that post (who has been banned for posting racial epithets in anger at black athletes) it reinforces his beliefs and behaviors. It probably even gives him a bit of a chubby as he reflects on what it's like to be one of the edgy cool modern kids.

Oh yeah, lol urban dictionary. Perhaps you should simply look up the words "casual" and "racism" and work your way through it. The dictionary doesn't have an explanation of every single adjective-noun pairing, you might need to use your head a bit. And while you're up there, spend 38 seconds replacing "should of" with "should have" for the rest of your life.

I don't think you're referring me (since this is clearly the stance that both GoodGame and Custer are taking), but lemme clarify just in case: that's not at all what I'm saying/referencing.

Anyway, since no one is really enjoying this, here's a pretty great Louis CK scene that many of you have probably seen that discusses the word Henry was referring to earlier that relates to this discussion:

I never once mentioned anything about black people I know or tried to use that in support of my argument.

intent wasnt the word I should have used there, becuase that doesn't encompass ignorant people saying racist things, which is a mistake on my behalf. What I should have said was in order for something to be racist it has to imply something, given context. What positive or negative thing is GG trying to imply by describing black people in a room as n**gas? N**ga as a term means black people, its no more racist then if he described the room as being a bunch of blacks. He didnt imply anything about them from simply describing them.

But the funny thing is, if his tr referenced people as rednecks, not a single person would get up in arms about that. Why? is it because its not racist seeing as its a small faction of the broader white race and not a race itself? They both started around the same time, and were both derogatory terms, both commonly used today within their respective groups, but one seems to be more PC then the other. Why is that? if anything it should be considered much worse to say because it has a direct implication of that persons wealth and intelligence.

Stuff that isnt PC but refers to a race isnt automatically racist like everyone here seems to want to argue.

minnesota, wasn't referring to you. Was referring to when GG jumped in on the discussion

"It is funny that presumably the only two guys in the conversation whose best friends are black are getting dismissed."

I don't think much of slippery slope arguments. It's not a danger because I don't intend to take it further than that. Reductio ad absurdum isn't a type of argument that's taken very seriously.

Disgusting that you think these two are interchangeable.

the video also reminds me of how good Hannibal Burress is.

Good to see CC is at the "I'm so over being PC for the sake of it" stage of his sophomoric intellectual enlightenment, can't wait to see what's next in line

Those hundreds of years where they lynched rednecks while screaming that word must've escaped my history books.

Well obviously they are not interchangeable, but they both stemmed from similar circumstances. I'm curious as to how you can say they arent very similar(outside of one being a bigger deal in modern society)

Wait are we arguing n**ger or n**ga?

I think next up is CC saying we're the real racists cause he doesn't even see color like we do, man, he's just trying to use a vocabulary made for post-racial America that we can't even comprehend yet cause we're so stuck on being PC about things while he's moved on

Custer, just go kick with this guy, he feels ya:

CCuster, doesn't it bother you that essentially everyone says you're wrong? If you read another 2 + 2 thread where that happens, do you side with the one guy there too?

That kid was probably only offended because of his white guilt though, amirite? Wait wat?

Since you seem to be taking that statement and running with it ill flush it out a little more for you.

When i said in context n**ga would have been the same as saying blacks, I meant as a descriptor they would be the same, in context a lot of times when ***** is used it is being racist, obviously, more so then the word blacks, cause of how the word has evolved. But one could easily be just as racist using the term black as they can using the term *****. Liek others have echoed here before, its true that racists tend to use ***** more, so it shouldnt be said as it promotes that, and i can agree with that, but that doesnt make its use inherently racist.

Everyone has not said Im wrong, in fact multiple people supported my viewpoint that gg wasnt being racist.

You two seem to be the only ones saying it's ok to say nig or similar.

And to lighten the mood (this is not sfw):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iau-e6HfOg0

Just realised that to find that I searched for "chris rock" and n-word. That's not going to look good on my FBI profile.

That guy is obviously ignorant, and without actually seeing the incident, i would probably side on the side that he isnt a racist, but seeing as he is in a position of power, what he said was racist. Hard to say without actually witnessing. he is obviously socially inept.

Also the kid in that video is being idiotic too, wanting the teacher to get fired over something that is obviously an idiotic thing that probably would never happen again.

IT IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE DESCRIPTOR

HOLY ****

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

That word has been used for centuries (yes both versions ffs, do you think our generation is the first to shorten words?) as a means of conveying hate. The number of people who have died with that word in the assailant's mouth is uncountable. You're not modern, you're simply ignorant. The word will carry hate with it--at least a little bit--every time it ever comes out of a white person's mouth, whether they intend it or not, because the word itself has context.

Now I am mad, you've forced me to think about all the times in my life I've seen it used in destructive ways and I'm ****ing depressed.