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Old 07-11-2017, 01:18 PM   #251
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Re: Wynn Summer classic

10 handed is the worst thing ever in live poker, I can't believe any player would ever suggest that.

If I have a suggestion, add 1 or 2 more PLO tourneys. The one you had was popular and a great choice going 8 handed.

Either way, keep up the good work.
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Old 07-11-2017, 05:17 PM   #252
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Here's a suggestion: i'm in town this coming weekend and looking for where there are still tournaments going during the end of the WSOP Main Event. The $500+50 events on Friday and Saturday are good options and i plan to play at least one of those. But as i look around town nobody is running any decent events in the evenings. You should think about running a 1 day event that starts at 5:00, obviously with a more turbo-ish format. For players like me who are looking for action, there's nothing but $80 buy-in events at the fringe poker rooms with no runners and not worth the effort. If you ran a $300 event that started at 5:00 you would pick up all the guys who have busted out from your noon start event and the 11:00 a.m. event at the Aria and also folks who are looking for something that doesn't last all day (e.g., in town with the family). Just a thought. Looking forward to this weekend!
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Old 07-11-2017, 05:36 PM   #253
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If you ran a $300 event that started at 5:00 you would pick up all the guys who have busted out from your noon start event and the 11:00 a.m. event at the Aria and also folks who are looking for something that doesn't last all day (e.g., in town with the family). Just a thought. Looking forward to this weekend!
Hi Kevin,

Thanks for your suggestion. After such a successful summer, we'll be looking at a lot of options for next year that we just didn't have the staff or space for this summer. Best of luck this weekend, thanks for playing!
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Old 07-12-2017, 01:20 PM   #254
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10 handed is the worst thing ever in live poker, I can't believe any player would ever suggest that.
Really? Between spotty dealer quality, incessant hollywood-ing/delaying and inconsistent rules application by floor staff, which are all issues in live poker... you think having 1 extra player at the table is the worst thing ever?

I call your bluff too.

So many bluffers on this thread. Where were you when I needed you this summer
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Old 07-12-2017, 01:26 PM   #255
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I've never heard a competent poker player request shorter levels...
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Here's a suggestion: i'm in town ... looking for something that doesn't last all day (e.g., in town with the family)...
Couj... meet Mr. Chapman.
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Old 07-12-2017, 02:59 PM   #256
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Couj... meet Mr. Chapman.
LOL -- I'm not suggesting that there should be shorter levels unless it's necessary-- much prefer longer levels even if there are steeper jumps between levels. But if you're starting an event at 5:00 p.m., you just can't run 45-min levels and hope to finish at a reasonable time. But with 30-min. levels and 10 min. breaks every 4 levels, you can get in 16 levels in 8 hours and by 1:00 a.m. you'll be at or near money/final table.

I know that lots of folks like to just play cash in the evening if they are out of a tournament, but it would be nice to have an option outside of the DDS at the Rio for a tournament that starts in the late afternoon/early evening.
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Old 07-12-2017, 09:58 PM   #257
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LOL -- I'm not suggesting that there should be shorter levels unless it's necessary-- much prefer longer levels even if there are steeper jumps between levels. But if you're starting an event at 5:00 p.m., you just can't run 45-min levels and hope to finish at a reasonable time. But with 30-min. levels and 10 min. breaks every 4 levels, you can get in 16 levels in 8 hours and by 1:00 a.m. you'll be at or near money/final table.

I know that lots of folks like to just play cash in the evening if they are out of a tournament, but it would be nice to have an option outside of the DDS at the Rio for a tournament that starts in the late afternoon/early evening.


I think my point was simply that there are plenty of players who think some tournaments are too long. IMO, a $1600 tourney that lasts 4 days is too long. To each their own, of course, but I think there is a growing chorus of players, including pros, who recognize the monetary value of time. And I would rather see a venue keep a low rake instead of having to keep up with the increased costs of these long-running events. A tourney doesn't have to be poorly structured in order to be faster than some of the bloated behemoths we see in the summer in Vegas.
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Old 07-12-2017, 11:05 PM   #258
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I think my point was simply that there are plenty of players who think some tournaments are too long. IMO, a $1600 tourney that lasts 4 days is too long. To each their own, of course, but I think there is a growing chorus of players, including pros, who recognize the monetary value of time. And I would rather see a venue keep a low rake instead of having to keep up with the increased costs of these long-running events. A tourney doesn't have to be poorly structured in order to be faster than some of the bloated behemoths we see in the summer in Vegas.
I agree completely
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Old 07-16-2017, 11:18 PM   #259
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Hi Wynn Rep

Are you able to release the start date and end date for the Wynn Fall series, please? Thanks
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:00 AM   #260
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Are you able to release the start date and end date for the Wynn Fall series, please? Thanks
Hi Mystic. Working on the details now after finalizing the European Open event which will run day 1's on 9/29-30.

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2017/...wynn-28516.htm

We will probably start with a few warm up events on 9/27 and run through the following weekend of October 8th.

Look for final details @wynnpoker in the next couple weeks.
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Old 07-17-2017, 06:18 AM   #261
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I think you guys could challenge the Venetian for the best poker series during the summer months. I know a few of my buddies wished you would have higher guarantees, especially the 1 million and up variety. Also maybe have a couple of 'superstacks" events like the Venetian had. Start those with like 40,000 in chips and hour levels and I'm sure you would be packed. Obv if the guarantee is good. I know the Venetian had a 1.5 million guarantee for those and they beat that.

Looking at your schedule there were just way too many small 100k events with 30 min levels and nobody wants to keep playing those over and over. Have more 1k's and 1600 events with 1 million guarantees and higher. Only having 2 total seemed disappointing according to a few of my friends that were out in Vegas for a month.

Time for you guys to step it up to the next level because from what I have heard from lots of people, you guys run a top notch tournament and people like playing there.
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Old 07-17-2017, 06:28 AM   #262
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I would not have played the event if day 1 levels were faster, and I am sure there are many more. The attraction for many who played was a structure better than the typical $1500 WSOP event for essentially the same buy-in.

Personally, given that it is the Wynn "main" event, I would like to see a higher buy-in (e.g. $2500 or $3000) and 75 minute levels throughout.

For $1600 buy-in I thought everything was perfect. Thanks for a great event!
Agree with this, especially about not playing if the levels were cut short like that akashank guy suggested. And he wants 10 handed tables? That's crazy definitely don't do that. My wife and I should be coming down next year and we will not play the wsop because of how poorly they treat the avg player. I hope the Wynn steps up their game next summer and has a lot more bigger events(1k's and 1600's) Hope they up their guarantees and allow for more 50-60 min levels with their great structure.

As I wrote in my previous post, the Wynn tournaments has a chance to be as good if not better than the Venetian. But that will never happen if the majority of their events are 100k guarantees and 250k guarantees when the city is packed with poker players and want bigger guarantees that are being crushed.
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Old 07-17-2017, 06:33 AM   #263
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I think my point was simply that there are plenty of players who think some tournaments are too long. IMO, a $1600 tourney that lasts 4 days is too long. To each their own, of course, but I think there is a growing chorus of players, including pros, who recognize the monetary value of time. And I would rather see a venue keep a low rake instead of having to keep up with the increased costs of these long-running events. A tourney doesn't have to be poorly structured in order to be faster than some of the bloated behemoths we see in the summer in Vegas.
Your suggestions are terrible. 10 handed tables and you want this?

As someone else pointed out, if you want the shorter levels, 10 handed play events you are in the wrong thread. The Wynn events are not that. Go check out the Nugget series or Binion series. I'm sure you would enjoy it.
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Old 07-17-2017, 05:16 PM   #264
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There are plenty of 1k and 1500 events at the WSOP. The Wynn doesn't need to, and can't possibly, compete with those. They'll never the size of fields the WSOP does.
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:13 PM   #265
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Your suggestions are terrible. 10 handed tables and you want this?

As someone else pointed out, if you want the shorter levels, 10 handed play events you are in the wrong thread. The Wynn events are not that. Go check out the Nugget series or Binion series. I'm sure you would enjoy it.
I believe the reading comprehension in this thread is lacking. I do not prefer 10-handed vs 9-handed. But if it alleviates certain registration issues which are quite annoying, I don't have any problems with a tourney starting out 10-handed. It just doesn't make that big a difference in the first half or third of a tourney.

And when I say I want shorter levels it doesn't mean I want 30 minute levels. There are a number of gradations of time between 30 and 60 minutes which would achieve the goal of faster tournaments without significantly degrading the structure. I will leave it to your imagination, or a google search on time keeping standards to figure it out.

And the bottom line is, I played the Wynn ME despite the fact that it was too long and had some registration issues. Obviously there are factors which supercede any of the negatives I have mentioned. Those claiming they would not play the event if it were tweaked in the ways I have suggested are lying through their teeth.
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:21 PM   #266
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Agree with this, especially about not playing if the levels were cut short like that akashank guy suggested. And he wants 10 handed tables? That's crazy definitely don't do that. My wife and I should be coming down next year and we will not play the wsop because of how poorly they treat the avg player. I hope the Wynn steps up their game next summer and has a lot more bigger events(1k's and 1600's) Hope they up their guarantees and allow for more 50-60 min levels with their great structure.

As I wrote in my previous post, the Wynn tournaments has a chance to be as good if not better than the Venetian. But that will never happen if the majority of their events are 100k guarantees and 250k guarantees when the city is packed with poker players and want bigger guarantees that are being crushed.

I have basically called for 50 minute day 1 levels. You are fine with that. Why are you arguing a point you agree with?
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:32 PM   #267
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I think you guys could challenge the Venetian for the best poker series during the summer months. I know a few of my buddies wished you would have higher guarantees, especially the 1 million and up variety. Also maybe have a couple of 'superstacks" events like the Venetian had. Start those with like 40,000 in chips and hour levels and I'm sure you would be packed. Obv if the guarantee is good. I know the Venetian had a 1.5 million guarantee for those and they beat that.

Looking at your schedule there were just way too many small 100k events with 30 min levels and nobody wants to keep playing those over and over. Have more 1k's and 1600 events with 1 million guarantees and higher. Only having 2 total seemed disappointing according to a few of my friends that were out in Vegas for a month.

Time for you guys to step it up to the next level because from what I have heard from lots of people, you guys run a top notch tournament and people like playing there.
I'd probably be hesitant about playing a tourney with 40K starting chips and hour long levels unless it had a really big guarantee and I could register day 2or something. The WSOP monster stack only has 15K and 60 minute levels and that thing lasts 4 days. Your suggested format would likely last at least 5 unless the structure were somehow degraded. Not really appealing for a run-of-the-mill 1100 or 1600 event, at least not as part of a lengthy month-long schedule. If it were a one off thing and one of the only tourneys I would play I might feel differently.

And your claims abut the 100K daily tourneys and who wants to play them are fallacious. Those types of events were a big hit at both the Venetian and Wynn this summer. I didn't play in any of them, but given their success, I would suspect you will see more, not less of them.

And when it comes to stepping up their game, it all comes down to the availability of space. It seems like they may have some additional space available where the temporary sports book was this year. But unless they have something completely different up there sleeve, I'm guessing the increases might be fairly marginal... maybe 10-15 more tables. That should still make for a better series.
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