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06-23-2017 , 08:31 PM
Hi All,

We have been experiencing huge growth this year for the Wynn Summer Classic, and appreciate everyone's support. For the $1600 Championship event on July 4-8, we have decided to make a small change to insure that the event will finish in the 3 tournament days as planned. To do so, the starting flights (1A, 1B, and 1C) will now play 12 levels.

Also, the Day 2 start time on July 7 will be pushed back to 1 pm. You can view the revised sheet here: http://www.visitwynn.com/documents/W...100_NLH_1M.pdf.

Please note that nothing in the blind structure changed, just the finish time for day 1's and restart time.

Thanks again for your support, and we hope to see you all July 4-8 for our Championship!
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06-23-2017 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Greg (FossilMan)
Played the seniors and a couple of the 1-day $400 buyin events at the Wynn, really like everything. Well run, good structures, right timing as far as I'm concerned with respect to event length and so on.

But please let's not do the 40 minute dinner break. It is just not enough time to go somewhere and eat, and way too much time if you're not going to go somewhere to eat. Please make it an hour or 90 minutes, or eliminate it entirely (hungry players are already able to order food delivered to the table).

Thanks for some great events!

Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
+1 I agree with FossilMan, I suggest eliminating the dinner break as players can eat at table.
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07-01-2017 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DuckU
+1 I agree with FossilMan, I suggest eliminating the dinner break as players can eat at table.
I disagree, not all players like eating at the tables. And they offer food service that allows players to order before break so it's ready by break and then 40 minutes is plenty to eat. Overall this venue was a very good place to play, solid structures and mostly all good dealers. The tourney area is in a convenient, nice area in Encore, only drawback is not enough tables to seat everyone so alternates to deal with. Much nicer here than a place like PH.
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07-01-2017 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Coug MJ
The tourney area is in a convenient, nice area in Encore, only drawback is not enough tables to seat everyone so alternates to deal with. Much nicer here than a place like PH.
With the growth we experienced this year, we are optimistic that we can procure some more space for next summer. Thanks for playing.
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07-02-2017 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker Rep.
Hi All,

We have been experiencing huge growth this year for the Wynn Summer Classic, and appreciate everyone's support. For the $1600 Championship event on July 4-8, we have decided to make a small change to insure that the event will finish in the 3 tournament days as planned. To do so, the starting flights (1A, 1B, and 1C) will now play 12 levels.

Also, the Day 2 start time on July 7 will be pushed back to 1 pm. You can view the revised sheet here: http://www.visitwynn.com/documents/W...100_NLH_1M.pdf.

Please note that nothing in the blind structure changed, just the finish time for day 1's and restart time.

Thanks again for your support, and we hope to see you all July 4-8 for our Championship!
Looking forward to the main this week; based on the alternate list from the $1100, if I don't register till 2pm any idea approximately when I may be seated? I realize this would be just a rough guess. Flying into Vegas at noon on Thursday. Thanks
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07-02-2017 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by spamalotbm
Looking forward to the main this week; based on the alternate list from the $1100, if I don't register till 2pm any idea approximately when I may be seated? I realize this would be just a rough guess. Flying into Vegas at noon on Thursday. Thanks
Really difficult to say Spamalot. Typically, in events with 60 minute levels we don't reach alts until a few hours in. Unfortunately, I don't think that will be the case this year.

With that said, it just depends on what time we fill up. If we fill up at 1:30 then your would be shorter, but if we fill up at 12:30 then it would be a different story.

Any chance you can change your flight?

For anyone else reading, we can't recommend enough playing 1A or 1B.
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07-04-2017 , 01:08 PM
What time does registration start on Day 1C?
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07-04-2017 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by heisenburg
What time does registration start on Day 1C?
Registration will open for 1C at approximately 7:30 PM the night before (when reg closes for 1B).
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07-04-2017 , 08:41 PM
So 730pm tonight registration opens for 1B tomorrow?
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07-04-2017 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tobikosan
So 730pm tonight registration opens for 1B tomorrow?
That is correct.
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07-05-2017 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker Rep.
That is correct.
Can I get a Wynn card at the tournament registration desk or do i need to get before I get in the line? Thanks
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07-06-2017 , 06:38 PM
My impressions of the Wynn Main Event:

Played day 1B yesterday and bust just before dinner break. Overall, I think you guys did a great job, especially since you've only been holding this series for a few years, and like some other venues, have space constraints. And I'm glad to see how successful it was (1500+ entries last time I checked). Maybe you'll up the guarantee next year . This timeframe is definitely better than the post-WSOP ME timeframe in which its been held in the past.

A few tweaks you may consider for next year.

1) The tables (at least the ones in the Players' lounge) were kind of small, even for 9-handed. I'm not sure if there's anything easily done about it, but it would be nice. If you have larger tables, you can go to 10-handed. I know players tend to prefer 9, but I'm not sure it makes all that big a difference at the start of a tourney. You can revert to 9 on day 2. One other advantage of 10-handed, is I think it would improve your registration process. Yours is not nearly as bad as some other goliath tournaments that shall remain nameless, however there are a some aspects which are annoying. Within the first two levels I played yesterday, we literally had 4 players from our starting 9 moved to other tables (assumedly to accommodate late-regs and keep balance).This makes it difficult to get a feel for your table, which I think is important for those who choose to arrive early. Some other venues that start 10-handed will leave two seats open for late-registrants. In this way players who register late are not likely to be sat at the same table, nor be placed on newly-opened short tables. And there's less player movement. Its a bit harder (perhaps not recommended) to leave two seats open on 9-handed tables, but if you went to 10, this would be an option. In any case, your process wasn't horrible by any stretch, but maybe it can be improved.

2) I will be very curious to see when this tourney reaches the money tomorrow. You changed the day 1 structure to potentially go to just shy of 2:00am, but still, I believe day 2 starts at 800/1600. It seems like it should take quite a long time to reach the bubble. I think there are a few things you can do to improve on this by gaining time on day 1

A) you can start day 1 at 11:00am. With such a slow structure, I don't really see why anyone would complain too much, and this would allow you to stop day 1 at a more reasonable time or just get an extra level in

B) You can change your breaks to 10 minutes and start the clock when all tables have completed action. The breaks will end up being more than 10 minutes long, but they should be less than 15, and this will, again ,make for a shorter day 1 while still playing the same number of levels.

We have already discussed the dinner break question. I am on the fence on this. On the one hand, its nice to have a bit longer break at this point in the tourney. On the other, I'm not sure 60 minutes really gives one the time to actually go and have a real meal somewhere, particularly on a busy night. I wouldn't recommend eliminating it altogether, but maybe if you changed it to like 30 minutes, players could place to-go orders, or in-table orders ahead of time and still have plenty of tie to eat and relax a bit before continuing. This would gain you more time.

C) I think you should consider lowering the day 1 levels to 45 or 50 minutes. With 25K in starting stack, slightly faster levels still offers players tons of play. And I can't imagine a player passing up such a huge prizepool because day 1 levels are 10 minutes faster. You could play two whole levels more day one and still end at a reasonable time.

Anyhow, well done, and congrats on a very successful event!
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07-07-2017 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
My impressions of the Wynn Main Event:

I can't imagine a player passing up such a huge prizepool because day 1 levels are 10 minutes faster.

Anyhow, well done, and congrats on a very successful event!
I would not have played the event if day 1 levels were faster, and I am sure there are many more. The attraction for many who played was a structure better than the typical $1500 WSOP event for essentially the same buy-in.

Personally, given that it is the Wynn "main" event, I would like to see a higher buy-in (e.g. $2500 or $3000) and 75 minute levels throughout.

For $1600 buy-in I thought everything was perfect. Thanks for a great event!
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07-07-2017 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
My impressions of the Wynn Main Event:

Anyhow, well done, and congrats on a very successful event!
Thanks for the feedback. I'll get back to you with responses in a week or two

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Originally Posted by Gladius03

Personally, given that it is the Wynn "main" event, I would like to see a higher buy-in (e.g. $2500 or $3000) and 75 minute levels throughout.

For $1600 buy-in I thought everything was perfect. Thanks for a great event!
Thanks for playing! While we ran some very good events last year, we really saw things take off this year. While we plan to stay true to our price points, we've definitely proved this year that there is room to grow into that market.

Thank for everyone's support!
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07-08-2017 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Gladius03
I would not have played the event if day 1 levels were faster, and I am sure there are many more. The attraction for many who played was a structure better than the typical $1500 WSOP event for essentially the same buy-in.

Personally, given that it is the Wynn "main" event, I would like to see a higher buy-in (e.g. $2500 or $3000) and 75 minute levels throughout.

For $1600 buy-in I thought everything was perfect. Thanks for a great event!
You would really pass up a 3MM prizepool if day 1 levels were 50 minutes instead of 60? I call your bluff.
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07-08-2017 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
You would really pass up a 3MM prizepool if day 1 levels were 50 minutes instead of 60? I call your bluff.
Absolutely. No bluff.

Your suggestions (A) and (B) regarding 11am start and break times were pretty good.

Your recommendation to play ten handed....WOW, I'd like to see a player poll on that one. Not good, I could see the field shrinking 5-10%.
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07-08-2017 , 03:02 PM
I've never heard a competent poker player request shorter levels and 10 handed tables. 60 min, 9 handed is very good and should be standard for this price point, let's not mess up a good thing.
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07-08-2017 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Gladius03

Your recommendation to play ten handed....WOW, I'd like to see a player poll on that one. Not good, I could see the field shrinking 5-10%.
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Originally Posted by Coug MJ
I've never heard a competent poker player request shorter levels and 10 handed tables. 60 min, 9 handed is very good and should be standard for this price point, let's not mess up a good thing.
Not to worry, we are committed to 9 handed at this time. If you played the Championship, you probably didn't notice that we added 6 tables in East Side Lounge to accommodate the field size for Day 2 (unless you were seated there).

It would have been much easier to play 10 handed on a portion of the tables instead of setting up in the Lounge, that's for sure!
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07-09-2017 , 12:19 AM
Played several events at the Wynn as well as grinded cash. Best room in Vegas and it's not even close. Comfortable setting. Great dealers. Supurb service. Will surely be back.
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07-09-2017 , 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Coug MJ
I've never heard a competent poker player request shorter levels and 10 handed tables. 60 min, 9 handed is very good and should be standard for this price point, let's not mess up a good thing.
I don't make any claims as to my poke competence. And if you've never heard of players who would prefer if tourneys were a little shorter, then you're living in a bubble.

I prefer to play 9-handed too, but to me its not that big a difference on day 1. I also prefer not to have my table have 4 players rotate out in the first two hours. If that can be avoided without going to 10 handed, I'm all for it.

As for level lengths, I was told the money was reached at around 7:30pm. That's over 20 hours of play by my math. And its almost midnight here on the west coast on day 3 and last I checked its not at the final table yet. So I think the level lengths will have to be tinkered with next year, unless the plan is to schedule it for 4 days. If that's the case, I think the draw will be reduced a bit.
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07-09-2017 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Gladius03
Absolutely. No bluff.

Your suggestions (A) and (B) regarding 11am start and break times were pretty good.

Your recommendation to play ten handed....WOW, I'd like to see a player poll on that one. Not good, I could see the field shrinking 5-10%.
My recommendation about 10 vs 9 had nothing to do with 10 vs 9. It had to do with the registration process leading to half my table getting rotated out in the first couple hours. That was really annoying. If going to 10-handed for day 1, or some part thereof avoids that, I would prefer it. Whatever minimal advantage there is with 9 over 10 handed on day 1 is not as important to me as having some continuity on my table. For those players who lucked out and did not face this issue, its actually a pretty significant advantage.

And by the way, those many player who were moved early on had it even worse, particularly if it was after level 3 or 4.
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07-09-2017 , 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
You would really pass up a 3MM prizepool if day 1 levels were 50 minutes instead of 60? I call your bluff.
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Originally Posted by Gladius03
Absolutely. No bluff
Double barreling, huh? Call.
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07-09-2017 , 11:54 AM
Ryan the Poker room manager is by far the best poker manager in town. The room is the best in town by a mile. Hopefully next year Wynn agrees to up the guarantees and expand the tournament area. People would much rather play there than the sh$thole Rio
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07-09-2017 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by pokervangelist
Ryan the Poker room manager is by far the best poker manager in town. The room is the best in town by a mile. Hopefully next year Wynn agrees to up the guarantees and expand the tournament area. People would much rather play there than the sh$thole Rio
If the Wynn had 500 tables and 7000 person fields, I don't think the experience would be quite the same as is today. That being said, the Wynn does a good job and hopefully they will continue to do so as they grow.
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07-10-2017 , 04:41 PM
There are tons of options to play tournaments with shorter levels and 10 players at the table over the course of the summer in Vegas. The Wynn found a good formula this summer that received large numbers of players, I don't think they need to be tinkering with it.
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