http://wynnpoker.com/wynn_classic14.cfm?linkId=8013624

All no-limit hold'em, each tournament has a guaranteed prize pool attached.

Meh not impressed with all the delays that's what they come up with interesting daily but not sure I would leave the rio for that.

It looks like the Wynn is going directly after the Venetian's weekend traffic. I like the multiple start days which will make up (to some degree) for space limitations. It will be interesting to see what sort of field sizes these get. Is there a link for tourney structures yet? Also, I have never played the Wynn, but can someone provide an indication as to how many tables will be available for tourneys in this summer's Classic?

Structures are usually good/very good at the Wynn Summer Classic. I like the 600$ NLH with three starting days... too bad it's gonna be 100% NLH all summer long.
I think they can use something like 20 tables for tournaments, max.

Yeah, I've heard good things. It seems like last year they averaged about 275 runners per starting day for the 250K guarantees, so I would think they have more than 20 tables. But I don't know.

Yeah, I wonder what took so long considering what they came up with. Is this advanced calculus?

"So all NLHE, right" ..."yep"..."A few $550+50 tourneys?" "Yeah, sounds good."

And then we make these TDs out to be delicate geniuses. "More than one starting day, what a brilliant move!"

Huge bummer. They had great mid-level PLO and PLO8 last year. Now if you are arriving after Venetian does theirs in early June, it's all WSOP or the cheap ones at GN and Binion's.

Oh well. At least for NLHE players, the Wynn usually has the best rake+comps.

Yes, I was so disappointed after I saw the events. I played Omaha here last year. Guess I won't play here this year. You can play Hold'em tournaments anywhere anytimes, for whatever money you want. I come here to play, stud, Omaha, razz, horse, anything, but hold'em.

If it wasn't for the Nugget haven't so many mixed events it wouldn't be worth coming. I am staying 15 days and will spend almost all my time at the Nugget.

What a horrible summer classic schedule, unbelievable. You guys wait almost until May to put a schedule out and this crap is what is listed???? You skip 10 days in the heart of the WSOP to run your daily tournies and this horrible decision was what led to an almost 2 month delay????

I only play NL events so I might play the main and MAYBE a prelim but c'mon Wynn, this schedule blows.

Wow! This is what was delayed for a month?

The days I have space based on my other events are all $300 days. Are these definitely 1-day events? Still pretty hard to justify playing one of them as opposed to a WSOP Daily Deep Stack with the buy-in and prize pool if they're both 1 day events.

At the risk of being accused of shilling for the Wynn (I have never played a tournament there), I'm surprised people are being so hard on them. I'm always perplexed why these schedules take so long to release. That goes for the Wynn, or Venetian, or whoever. That being said, they obviously are trying to lay out their schedule to maximize their profits. In this case, it would seem their schedule is trying to take advantage of two things. A) the demise of the Caesars Poker room, and B) The Venetian's reluctance to go to a multi-day start format for their weekend tournaments.

As for the former, it appears the Wynn is going to have the only non-WSOP single day NLH events on the strip in the $200-$300 range, at least until we see if Aria or PH come up with anything. This basically replaces what Caesars used to do, and I believe most of those events were pretty successful. And if its true that Wynn only has something like 20-30 tables available, then I think this is probably a good way for them to make efficient use of their space mid-week during the WSOP. For those who say these tourneys can't compete with the Rio daily deepstacks, I say, you're probably right. But there are players who don't necessarily care as much about having to defeat 1200 players and play till the wee hours of the morning in order to maybe have a shot at a big prize. There are some who would rather only play against a few hundred others and for a reasonable amount of time. I would imagine the Wynn tables will be pretty full for these, again not knowing what will be going on at Aria or PH.

As for their modifying their multi-day one tourneys to skew towards the weekend, this is definitely going to be very interesting. A casual look at their results from last year tells me there's little reason these can't compete with the Venetian single-day one Saturday tourneys as far as prize pool is concerned. and I think they have a real good shot of surpassing them in this regard. Clearly they saw a potential weakness in the Venetian schedule, and took their time to make the effort to address it.

As for the lack of non-NLH events, I will not rehash the debate that seems to go on every time a new tournament series schedule is announced. I would just ask the payers who are dismayed by there being fewer and fewer mid-level mixed game events... does this not represent an opportunity? You guys/gals seemed to be a pretty tight-knit group with strong feelings towards your game. Surely someone can rent out a ballroom or some space in some casino during the WSOP and hold the ultimate mixed game series. There would be no NLH allowed. You could schedule your various mixed games events to line up perfectly with their equivalent larger buy-in WSOP events. If everything you guys have been complaining about is true, then I don't see how this would be anything less than a huge money-maker for somebody.

I'm getting to Vegas on the 17th and leaving on the 28th... Its litterally like the wynn and venetian sneaked a look @ my flight details and put the dailys etc on lol, why the 10 day gap???

Why the long delay on releasing the schedules this yr? Without the delay I could have moved my flight 3-4 days earlier and planned my trip

If the release of all of these schedules proves one thing it is that poker players will always find something to complain about.

Fair point.

If my dates fell on the non dailies I'd really like this schedule...

Players should plan around the schedule not the other way around, that's why I feel it's a legit point that the crazy long delay didn't allow us to plan around the card rooms I just had to hope that things worked out.. And sadly they haven't

Pretty much the same for me. Planned to play at the the wynn this summer but I couldn't wait any longer to book my dates. Sadly none of the date line up for me either only thing I can play are dailies and would rather play those at the rio.

The structures will be posted online at the end of the week.
We will have up to 30 tables at the Encore available for use on the days that are necessary, such as the $550 NLH $250K Guarantee Events.

I think a leaderboard would go a long way for this series. I think overall its solid and I kinda see what you're trying to do. I could see myself digging in here for a couple weeks.

Everything one (or any provider) do(es) is always going to please some and displease others. If the majority are happy, then you've done reasonably well, and that's how you judge. In this case, I don't believe the majority are pleased.

For me personally, my journey to Vegas takes 18 - 20 hours from Australia. I book it in January to ensure reasonable flight prices, as to wait for all the schedules to be released, and then try and book something is peak season will cost me 3x as much.

So when a schedule is promised, and then delayed 3 times, and then when it eventually comes out, it esentially has a daily $30k Guarantee $300 event for almost every day that I'm there, I'll put up my hand and say I'm disappointed. It's basically just another normal daily tournament (with a slightly higher buy-in). Factor in that the Rio will run daily tourneys that will cost less to enter, and generate a prize pool 6 - 8 times greater.

And before you go all "Rio is a crapshoot" on me, the bottom line is that a one day tournament is a one day tournament, there's always an element of crapshoot. It might be slightly more variable at the Rio to get through the numbers, but that's a chance many are happy to take.

If I look at all the schedules released so far (imho):
WSOP - great schedule
GN - great schedule (I won't play much, but it's a great schedule)
DSE - I don't think this works as it doesn't gel with WSOP
Binions - Largely neutral, but think timing of Champ Event is smart
Wynn - Disappointing, as it's basically a 4-event schedule with some slightly higher buy-in dailies

Pretty much agree with every word and sounds like we've booked flights for roughly the same dates so am equally disappointed.

What I remeber of the binion's schedule apart from the 1k main it's just 120 dollar buy in everyday, poor excuse for a series

You have a right to be disappointed. I'm just not sure what you're expecting. They can't have a higher buy-in single day tournament because those don't draw (people who play higher buy-ins tend to like better structures), and there's no reason for them to have a lower buy-in single day tournament since there's plenty of those already around and they would be just giving up profits. At this buy-in level and structure, I think they are pretty much counting on filling their available space mid-week, which is all they are trying to do. No they aren't going to get the field size that the Rio daily deepstack gets, but that shouldn't prevent them from filling their room, especially since at this point no one else outside the WSOP has a mid-week daily tournament at this level. I suspect if this doesn't work out for them, they will re-evaluate next year, but for now this looks like a pretty sound schedule.

A 2 month delay to give us 10 days of straight crappy daily tournaments is horrible and ridiculous.

The delay wasn't 2 months, but I'm not really sure why there was any delay. I would guess it had to do with obtaining space, as these things always seem to be.

The 2 months is an inference to the time taken after the WSOP schedule release. The delay is more like 1 month as the schedule was promised at the end of the Classic that ended in March.

The disappointment is that this schedule is effectively 4 events if you exclude the dailies. That's very limited pulling power. What I was hoping for was either:
1. $340 - $550 buy-in events that take place over 2 midweek days (play first day to final table) OR
2. Something that's not NLHE. As pointed out elsewhere in the MTTc - Live forum - there are many players that would be happy with a $550 BI non-NLHE event that precedes its WSOP equivalent by 2 - 3 days. If these attracted 100 - 150 entrants, and played down to the final table on day 1, this would be a great outcome.

Anyway, it's not. So we move on. Unfortunate, as my experience playing in the Wynn Poker Room has always been enjoyable.

Yeah I'm with akashenk. There are limited niches to fill. I think they picked a solid one for their venue. There are plenty of people who a) enjoy the Wynn and would play almost whatever they offer b) don't enjoy the daily supersonic at the rio/ just want to play a reasonable 1 day tournament.

Get over it mates. Have fun at the rio

To be clear, I like the schedule and I like playing at the Wynn it just sucks that the dates I'm there miss the best tourneys which I cld of changed if the schedule had been released earlier.

I'm still gonna play the dailys tho lol... They look better value than the usual caesars mega stack ones and I prefer the room