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Old 07-11-2017, 11:53 PM   #1001
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Esfandiari has apparently been knocked out already? He's commentating on tv.
No played day 1c so he will play day 2c
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Old 07-12-2017, 10:28 AM   #1002
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I hope I'm not alone in my thinking here, but I'm enjoying being able to watch the ME in the early levels via PokerGo and ESPN.

Having not only big hands which have been edited down is a nice change. Schulman is great, love his commentary and analysis.
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Old 07-12-2017, 11:10 PM   #1003
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Have been watching the ESPN coverage on line without sound. Much better. It's nice to see the hands in real time rather than just the edited big hands. nice to be able to see what guys are folding as well as what they are bluffing with. Mostly focused on main three tables, but that's fine.
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Old 07-13-2017, 03:10 PM   #1004
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Crap, no WSOP on ESPN today? They're still playing, right?
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Old 07-13-2017, 07:55 PM   #1005
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Crap, no WSOP on ESPN today? They're still playing, right?
Here is the ESPN broadcasting schedule for the Main, you are welcome.

http://www.wsop.com/news/2017/May/90...-17-20-22.html
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Old 07-17-2017, 02:23 PM   #1006
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Lon McEachern is a terrible poker live announcer, right? Seems like a couple times each day, he's caught saying something wrong. Mis-stating what the nuts is, not knowing what outs someone has, contributing flawed poker logic, etc. He even kept calling someone the wrong name, even when it was pointed out.

And I'm only watching the free ESPN TV time, which is only a few hours each day.

Who knew Norman Chad was the pivotal part of this team.
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Old 07-18-2017, 08:21 AM   #1007
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He's not used to the long hours of live announcing. I'm guessing that's a whole different ballgame than providing the commentary for an hours worth of pre-recorded pivotal hands.
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Old 07-18-2017, 09:08 PM   #1008
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Lon McEachern is a terrible poker live announcer, right? Seems like a couple times each day, he's caught saying something wrong. Mis-stating what the nuts is, not knowing what outs someone has, contributing flawed poker logic, etc. He even kept calling someone the wrong name, even when it was pointed out.

And I'm only watching the free ESPN TV time, which is only a few hours each day.

Who knew Norman Chad was the pivotal part of this team.
The answer to bolded is YES! I know lot of his work with poker has been the edited highlight type shows that ESPN has ran for years but he's been around the game for what, like 15 years now? He should not be making all the mistakes that he still makes in the live broadcasts. He always sounds like someone that just got introduced to the game right before he went on air. Norman Chad and Esfandiari are fine as color commentators but Lon is god awful as the lead. They need to get someone in there like Tuchman to take over that role. I know not everyone loves Tuchman's style but at least he doesn't make all the mistakes Lon does.
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:52 AM   #1009
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Any chance you guys could expand the self-print ticket stations for next year?

I would love an option where you can set up an account for self-printing tickets, deposit cash in your account at the cage, then just use that cash balance to print tickets for whatever you'd like to. It would be a massive help for people that want to play Megas and such at times when there are big field events running (specifically the Giant flights that basically made regging for anything else on Friday afternoons/evenings close to impossible)
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Old 07-19-2017, 08:52 PM   #1010
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Any chance you guys could expand the self-print ticket stations for next year?

I would love an option where you can set up an account for self-printing tickets, deposit cash in your account at the cage, then just use that cash balance to print tickets for whatever you'd like to. It would be a massive help for people that want to play Megas and such at times when there are big field events running (specifically the Giant flights that basically made regging for anything else on Friday afternoons/evenings close to impossible)
I don't think the casino wants to be your bank. How much would you pay to be able to set up this account?
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:10 PM   #1011
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Not to mention the thousands of regulatory hurdles to leap over to become a bank.

P.S. when is this idiot soccer crap going to be over?
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:48 AM   #1012
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Not to mention the thousands of regulatory hurdles to leap over to become a bank.
Are we are talking about the same institutions that cash checks, extend credit and provide safety boxes to their customers, right? If they can do all that and not be a bank, I don't see how Zimmer's idea is the straw that pushes casinos into banking territory.

I bet the casinos would love to be a "bank" in the way Zimmer laid out. They'd just hold onto your money, possibly for a small fee, and roll it all into one actual account and collect on the float--which would be considerable if they allow this service to table and slot players.
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Old 07-20-2017, 12:51 PM   #1013
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Why don't casinos let you download your balance to your players card on slot machines instead of using tickets?
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Old 07-20-2017, 04:26 PM   #1014
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Why don't casinos let you download your balance to your players card on slot machines instead of using tickets?
Because players card balances are not meant to be substitutes for cash. You cannot use them as cash just anywhere... just in certain locations the casino doesn't mind you patronizing. I suppose the technology could exist to allow for this option, but I don't think most players would trade cash for "points", which may expire and are often not even worth their equivalent cash value.
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Old 07-20-2017, 04:32 PM   #1015
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Are we are talking about the same institutions that cash checks, extend credit and provide safety boxes to their customers, right? If they can do all that and not be a bank, I don't see how Zimmer's idea is the straw that pushes casinos into banking territory.

I bet the casinos would love to be a "bank" in the way Zimmer laid out. They'd just hold onto your money, possibly for a small fee, and roll it all into one actual account and collect on the float--which would be considerable if they allow this service to table and slot players.
You could give a check to your buddy Harry in exchange for cash, or borrow some money from him, or give him cash to keep under his mattress. None of these activities make Harry a bank.

Banks are federally-insured institutions. Casinos are not. Lots of businesses cash checks, extend credit and provide safes or security boxes. These are not necessarily banks either.

I will say, though, that cash is dying as a primary form of product/service payment. It will simply become too expensive to print money which is counterfeit-proof, never mind the costs in time/money for verification on the receiver's end.

Casinos will always be among the latest adopters of any sort of electronic forms of exchange since theirs is such a highly regulated and highly cash-based industry. But eventually, even they will relent to progress. I suspect within 10 years, cash will become a secondary form of transaction, even within the walls of casinos.
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Old 07-20-2017, 05:18 PM   #1016
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Oh good, you got my point.
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:16 PM   #1017
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Come on, Hesp! Love his energy
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Old 07-23-2017, 09:53 PM   #1018
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Casinos will always be among the latest adopters of any sort of electronic forms of exchange since theirs is such a highly regulated and highly cash-based industry. But eventually, even they will relent to progress. I suspect within 10 years, cash will become a secondary form of transaction, even within the walls of casinos.

yeah ofc the casinos still hold to the mantra, cash is king....it's much harder to get away with the good old skim and under-report when your dealing with electronic transactions.
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Old 07-23-2017, 10:18 PM   #1019
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total chips Blumstein has at the end is 360,575,000. There were a total of 7221 people who entered the Main Event. With 50k starting stacks.

50k X 7221 = 361,050,000

361,050,000 - 360,575,000 = 475,000 missing chips

were there that much chips taken off during the color ups?
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Old 07-23-2017, 10:41 PM   #1020
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50k X 7221 = 361,050,000

361,050,000 - 360,575,000 = 475,000 missing chips

were there that much chips taken off during the color ups?
They usually round up during the color-ups, so you would see more, not less.

I think the difference is DQ'ed players.....one guy with 600,000 disqualified (chips taken out of play), maybe others?
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Old Yesterday, 12:39 PM   #1021
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Because players card balances are not meant to be substitutes for cash. You cannot use them as cash just anywhere... just in certain locations the casino doesn't mind you patronizing. I suppose the technology could exist to allow for this option, but I don't think most players would trade cash for "points", which may expire and are often not even worth their equivalent cash value.
I don't mean turning cash into points. I have played in a (non-US) casino where your card kept track of an actual cash balance.
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They usually round up during the color-ups, so you would see more, not less.

I think the difference is DQ'ed players.....one guy with 600,000 disqualified (chips taken out of play), maybe others?
Plus whatever Men the Master squirreled away.
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