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05-24-2017 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Maciej
Who would buy the WSOP? didnt harrahs sell it the cezars?
Harrah's bought Caesars in 2004 and changed its name to Caesars in like 2010.
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05-24-2017 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by karamazonk
I remember Aria started charging for poker during the beginning of the WSOP last year and have since heard that other properties have followed suit. Is there any kind of breakdown as to which casinos are now charging? Most importantly, is the WSOP lot going to be charging for poker this summer? Based on other comments on this thread the Rio is still free but I wanted to make sure. I also have the impression that all other Harrah's and MGM properties are now charging but am not sure about casinos like Venetian and Wynn. Thanks for any help.
By poker, I assume you mean parking.

Yes, All Caesars properties are charging for parking now or will soon, except the Rio... at least this year.

It seems the Venetian is the only major resort yet to charge.

here's a link that lists some free places...

http://gamboool.com/las-vegas-hotel-...k-on-the-strip
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05-24-2017 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by busto23
How about everyone shows up in rompers so you're sure they dont have a concealed weapon?

I take a wild bet you guys are Trump voters
I hope your wild guesses are just as inaccurate at the poker table. Easy chips.

However, Isis just came out with a video showing a number of Las Vegas targets. That combined with the recent attack in Manchester and I'd say asking for metal detectors and added security isn't such a bad idea. Or you can continue to pretend that terrorism is make believe.
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05-24-2017 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Meh
I hope your wild guesses are just as inaccurate at the poker table. Easy chips.

However, Isis just came out with a video showing a number of Las Vegas targets. That combined with the recent attack in Manchester and I'd say asking for metal detectors and added security isn't such a bad idea. Or you can continue to pretend that terrorism is make believe.
I would say that extra security, explosive detection K9's, and significant restrictions on backpacks will be common sense and common place in the near future at the WSOP.
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05-25-2017 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by busto23
How about everyone shows up in rompers so you're sure they dont have a concealed weapon?

I take a wild bet you guys are Trump voters
There are probably more people than you think carrying concealed weapons. The permits aren't difficult to get and the casinos don't prohibit it. That might be a good thing with ISIS making threats about Vegas on Memorial Day weekend.
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05-25-2017 , 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Meh
I hope your wild guesses are just as inaccurate at the poker table. Easy chips.

However, Isis just came out with a video showing a number of Las Vegas targets. That combined with the recent attack in Manchester and I'd say asking for metal detectors and added security isn't such a bad idea. Or you can continue to pretend that terrorism is make believe.
Compared to deaths from car accidents, heart attacks, and accidental use of guns, ya terrorism is make-belief. It just scares you more, which is their target.

Terrorists have won when they have made you afraid to do business as casual. It's pretty clear that if someone wants to do a lot of damage, a couple of metal detectors won't help (it's been proven time and time again with the TSA.)

PS I'd enjoy you at my table. Republican gun lovers are my favorite people to 3-bet haha
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05-25-2017 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
By poker, I assume you mean parking.

Yes, All Caesars properties are charging for parking now or will soon, except the Rio... at least this year.

It seems the Venetian is the only major resort yet to charge.

here's a link that lists some free places...

http://gamboool.com/las-vegas-hotel-...k-on-the-strip
Wow, weird, yes, I did mean to type "parking." Guess I shouldn't type while distracted. Thanks for the info.
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05-25-2017 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by busto23
Compared to deaths from car accidents, heart attacks, and accidental use of guns, ya terrorism is make-belief. It just scares you more, which is their target.

Terrorists have won when they have made you afraid to do business as casual. It's pretty clear that if someone wants to do a lot of damage, a couple of metal detectors won't help (it's been proven time and time again with the TSA.)

PS I'd enjoy you at my table. Republican gun lovers are my favorite people to 3-bet haha
I'll 4-bet shove your 3-bets every time!

Just because someone is able to recognize a potential soft target and wants to take steps to make it more secure doesn't mean they're afraid of anything. It means they're smart and cautious. I'm still going to WSOP regardless of if they increase security or not but I sure wish they would.

Just because something is statistically unlikely doesn't mean one shouldn't take steps to mitigate risk. Every time I get in my car, it's highly unlikely I'll get in a car accident but I still wear my seatbelt. Shoot, I even keep a window breaker in my car in the real off chance of crashing into a body of water and needing to bust out. What would be the harm in having increased passive security measures like increased security and bomb sniffing dogs?
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05-25-2017 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by busto23
Terrorists have won when they have made you afraid to do business as casual. It's pretty clear that if someone wants to do a lot of damage, a couple of metal detectors won't help (it's been proven time and time again with the TSA.)
The TSA should NEVER be the model for competent security. The sheeple at an airport have NO clue how soft the underbelly is. When I did my instruction, it was at a metropolitan airport but yet I could go out to my plane, make my calls, get off the ground and go where I wanted without a flight plan all without having seen the first TSA employee...

Security theatre above is not security in any manner...well, unless you count job security.

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PS I'd enjoy you at my table. Republican gun lovers are my favorite people to 3-bet haha
Not all 'gun lovers' are Republican. But keep stereotyping anyhow...you are as bad as that idiot in another thread that wanted to put every stereotype possible about Texas into one post.
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05-25-2017 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by michelle227
The TSA should NEVER be the model for competent security.
It's a waste of time and resources for everyone (time for passengers, resources for the state.) It was MY POINT exactly.

People get afraid of terrorist attacks (like Dr Meh here) and start thinking that posting some metal detector at the entrance of a building is going to stop terrorists from just blowing it up right there (thus killing anyone going through the detector at the time.) It's what they want you to do. Disrupt peoples lives without reason just because you're irrationally afraid of a beheading that happened in Iran versus the 10,000 fold increased chance you get rammed while driving your car by a drunk driver.

There's a big difference between a seat belt (proven to SIGNIFICANTLY decrease death and injury from car accidents) which is super cheap to install in cars, and consumes 1-2 seconds to put on, and a sleuth of "increased security" measures which would means hours of delays and lots and lots of money to spend on, while at the same time being basically absolutely inefficient at stopping anything really.

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Originally Posted by michelle227
Not all 'gun lovers' are Republican.
Most gun lovers are republican. If you declare your love for guns on a public forum I'm going to wager that you're republican. You think I'm wrong? Most anti-gun advocates are democrats. Not all, but most. Note that I wasn't saying one is bad or not. I was merely stating statistical facts.


Anyway, let's get back on topic here. No metal detectors at WSOP please, thanks haha.
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05-25-2017 , 05:30 PM
Guns are baddd, mmmkay
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05-25-2017 , 08:24 PM
If anyone in Vegas for ME and wants to buy me in for bitcoin, send a PM.
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05-25-2017 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by daChimp
Oh how I look forward to being at the tables with you dorks for hours... just do us a favor and shower before hand.
I'm gonna smell the way luckychewy looks.
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05-25-2017 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by housenuts
If anyone in Vegas for ME and wants to buy me in for bitcoin, send a PM.
It is super easy to cash out bitcoin, not so much to register someone else. So I will bite.........????
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05-25-2017 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Kali2
It is super easy to cash out bitcoin, not so much to register someone else. So I will bite.........????
I'm Canadian. I can either cash out $14,000 cad (or whatever the exchange rate is), exchange it to usd and buy in.

Or I can meet someone in Vegas, xfer them 10k usd in btc and they buy me in.

It will be a contemporary transfer in person. Just trying to prearrange now.
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05-25-2017 , 09:15 PM
Hi guys, maybe you know, if i watch Bravo app, then currently (lately) Planet Hollywood has mostly only 1-2 Holdem, but in summer, in the WSOP, are there any 2-5? How many tables? thx
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05-25-2017 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by busto23
It's a waste of time and resources for everyone (time for passengers, resources for the state.) It was MY POINT exactly.

People get afraid of terrorist attacks (like Dr Meh here) and start thinking that posting some metal detector at the entrance of a building is going to stop terrorists from just blowing it up right there (thus killing anyone going through the detector at the time.) It's what they want you to do. Disrupt peoples lives without reason just because you're irrationally afraid of a beheading that happened in Iran versus the 10,000 fold increased chance you get rammed while driving your car by a drunk driver.

There's a big difference between a seat belt (proven to SIGNIFICANTLY decrease death and injury from car accidents) which is super cheap to install in cars, and consumes 1-2 seconds to put on, and a sleuth of "increased security" measures which would means hours of delays and lots and lots of money to spend on, while at the same time being basically absolutely inefficient at stopping anything really.

Most gun lovers are republican. If you declare your love for guns on a public forum I'm going to wager that you're republican. You think I'm wrong? Most anti-gun advocates are democrats. Not all, but most. Note that I wasn't saying one is bad or not. I was merely stating statistical facts.


Anyway, let's get back on topic here. No metal detectors at WSOP please, thanks haha.
Im not afraid but I am cautious by nature. I don't think having a metal detector would be all that disruptive but certainly having roving bomb dogs and increased personnel wouldn't be disruptive at all. Why do you object to having that?

And security measures do make a difference. My understanding is (and I haven't been keeping up with the story so I could be wrong) the Manchester bomber did it by the ticket area prior to a security checkpoint. Had there not been a checkpoint, he could have gone further in to a more densely occupied area to inflict more damage. Obviously, no amount of security will stop a determined crazy person but it can help in stalling them, identifying them, and possibly limiting the causalities they aim to inflict. There was a bombing at a stadium not too long ago and one of the bombers detonated early because security caught him. Had they not, he would have gone into the stadium and killed dozens more.

It's one thing to not live your life in fear and casually go about your life as if terrorism isn't going to happen. But it's another thing to not prepare and defend against any possible attack, no matter how unlikely, just because you don't want to give the terrorists the impression that they won. Be happy, live your life, and don't be afraid; but don't be foolish and make things an easier target or more dangerous/vulnerable than they have to be.
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05-26-2017 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Meh
Im not afraid but I am cautious by nature. I don't think having a metal detector would be all that disruptive but certainly having roving bomb dogs and increased personnel wouldn't be disruptive at all. Why do you object to having that?
Hellmuth immediately calls the clock... the TD gives his opponent 10 seconds while a bluff-sniffing... erm... I mean, bomb-sniffing dog hovers around him! Good times!

Having increased personnel is one thing, as long as they don't go overboard. In order to have metal detectors, they would have to secure the areas outside of the entrances/exits (so players can pee, smoke, go outside for fresh air, etc.). I guess the hallway is long enough to accommodate that, but I don't think players and guests really want that type of atmosphere. It might mean anyone wanting to go to the theater, starbucks, restaurant, etc. would have to pass thru the checkpoint. People go to Vegas to get away from all that BS, and already go thru it on the flights each way.

Maybe they should just take the dogs to the strip clubs. I guess that could have stopped 9/11.
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05-26-2017 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by AllInNTheDark
Hellmuth immediately calls the clock... the TD gives his opponent 10 seconds while a bluff-sniffing... erm... I mean, bomb-sniffing dog hovers around him! Good times!

Having increased personnel is one thing, as long as they don't go overboard. In order to have metal detectors, they would have to secure the areas outside of the entrances/exits (so players can pee, smoke, go outside for fresh air, etc.). I guess the hallway is long enough to accommodate that, but I don't think players and guests really want that type of atmosphere. It might mean anyone wanting to go to the theater, starbucks, restaurant, etc. would have to pass thru the checkpoint. People go to Vegas to get away from all that BS, and already go thru it on the flights each way.

Maybe they should just take the dogs to the strip clubs. I guess that could have stopped 9/11.
The dogs would be in the halls and the entrances. Outside and in the parking lot as well. Obviously they won't be in the thick of the action. When first hearing about dogs at airports, were you concerned about the dogs sniffing the pilot's crotch while they try to land? Unreasonable argument is unreasonable.
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05-26-2017 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Meh
Im not afraid but I am cautious by nature. I don't think having a metal detector would be all that disruptive but certainly having roving bomb dogs and increased personnel wouldn't be disruptive at all. Why do you object to having that?

And security measures do make a difference. My understanding is (and I haven't been keeping up with the story so I could be wrong) the Manchester bomber did it by the ticket area prior to a security checkpoint. Had there not been a checkpoint, he could have gone further in to a more densely occupied area to inflict more damage. Obviously, no amount of security will stop a determined crazy person but it can help in stalling them, identifying them, and possibly limiting the causalities they aim to inflict. There was a bombing at a stadium not too long ago and one of the bombers detonated early because security caught him. Had they not, he would have gone into the stadium and killed dozens more.

It's one thing to not live your life in fear and casually go about your life as if terrorism isn't going to happen. But it's another thing to not prepare and defend against any possible attack, no matter how unlikely, just because you don't want to give the terrorists the impression that they won. Be happy, live your life, and don't be afraid; but don't be foolish and make things an easier target or more dangerous/vulnerable than they have to be.
I always wonder if suicide bombers will detonate at bottlenecks at security checkpoints. I've been through airports where I wondered what would happen if someone detonated a carry-on size bomb in the middle of a densely packed airport security line on a busy travel day, one that snakes back and forth so that someone in the middle can do a lot of damage.

Maybe, one day, all carry-on items will be required to be transparent. Maybe they will ban carry-ons larger than backpack-sized. Maybe they casinos won't let you carry a large backpack into the poker room. Maybe they will search all bags before you enter a shopping mall.

Who gets hurt if they tell you that you can't bring large bags through the casino, you can only have them in the hotel part and areas that are needed to get to the hotel?
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05-26-2017 , 03:42 AM
It's unlikely there will be a high density of bomb dogs and like that wandering around the Pavilion and Amazon rooms. The threat isn't specific to the WSOP and Vegas is a big place.
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05-26-2017 , 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
I always wonder if suicide bombers will detonate at bottlenecks at security checkpoints. I've been through airports where I wondered what would happen if someone detonated a carry-on size bomb in the middle of a densely packed airport security line on a busy travel day, one that snakes back and forth so that someone in the middle can do a lot of damage.
They just do a lot of damage. A LOT. The reason we have check points at airports is NOT to protect the people at the airport, but is to prevent terrorists to get planes which given the amount of fuel and size of the plane can be use WAAAAAAAY more effectively than any personal bombs they might have (see 9/11 example.) It's simple physics. That's what people don't know or don't understand.

There's no airplanes to be highjacked at WSOP, so a metal detector/bomb dogs would be useless in preventing lives being taken. I don't think the terrorists would care if they would kill people in the Amazon room or in the waiting line at this "checkpoint".

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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
Maybe, one day, all carry-on items will be required to be transparent. Maybe they will ban carry-ons larger than backpack-sized. Maybe they casinos won't let you carry a large backpack into the poker room. Maybe they will search all bags before you enter a shopping mall.
That already is the case in communist autocracies. Enjoy your dream police state. Where you have no privacy and papa Putin decides what you buy and eat. Fortunately, Vegas is in America (currently still a democratic free country.)
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05-26-2017 , 04:53 AM
I work for DoD and have 23yrs mil experience... if I were a terrorist and wanted to disupt WSOP, it would be as simple as poisoning food supply, or make probes like leaving unsecured backpack with unknown powdery substance just to observe reaction... or maybe they already have observed and have tweaked their tactics, techniques and procedures.

Bottom line is any public event like this is subject to these criminals. Not only will I be there, I will also have friends there... if an ounce of prevention will protect everyone (even at a mild inconvenience), then Im for it.
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05-26-2017 , 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by daChimp
if an ounce of prevention will protect everyone (even at a mild inconvenience), then Im for it.
Here are the numbers my friend
You're twice more likely to be killed by a gun-loving trump supporter and about 200 times more likely to die while taking a bath than to be killed by a terrorist.

Fear of terrorists is so irrational it's silly. You're not afraid of lightning are you? That 15 more times likely to happen.
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05-26-2017 , 08:21 AM
Can you register for the deepstacks the day before ? There was some discussion last year but am still unsure. Thanx.
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