I never said anything about the big multi day events, as I still plan on playing those, but the preliminary events are much less attractive as a result.

Doing something just because PBKC does it is a quick way to have a failing tournament series. Doesn't make it ok, and I've actively tried to get that changed up there as well.

I think the best thing for everyone is to take whatever they feel is appropriate and make it part of the listed rake. I also feel that offering an add-on at the table is a completely unnecessary hassle for all parties involved. If you make the $440 listed as a $392+48, that is much preferred. I mostly just feel like there's no reason to filet everyone from all directions... A little addon here, a little prize pool deduction here, and a little pressure to tip when you get paid.

My big problem here is the 2% in the fine print. Stop trying to hide it. Dont' call it a $400+$40 when in actuality it's a $392+$48. Burying it in the fine print is just flat-out deceptive, and doesn't give me confidence that your room is trustworthy.

And then stop hustling for more tips when I cash out. That really pisses me off and usually results in an unpleasant response from me.

I wasn't saying just because pbkc does it they should.. Im saying dont crucify them for something that is already precedent in the area.

I agree I think the whole concept of an add-on should be done away with. Just put that amount into the entry fee, make it clear where each dollar is going and that's it. Everyone buys the add-on anyway, and anyone that wouldn't have and is forced to is being helped out.

A lot pf players actually request the dealer appreciation add-on. (At least winning players), since the dealers get a nice tip and we are no longer pressured to take a huge cut out of a win.

I do think the 2% should be made more clear, but by the time the tournament starts the word will have spread anyway.

I also suspect that the cheaper buy ins might also attract cheaper tippers, and the casino has to compete to get decent dealers. So my 2 cents is that if given the choice, please take my tip upfront.

I agree with both these posts. The Hard Rock got it right last series and did exactly this. Every thing was taken out and listed as part of the rake, no add on at the table and no percentage. I wish every room would do this, but I believe some parimutuels may have company policies that won't allow it. I would think the Creek would be able to follow suit with the Rock.

They are not being deceptive and trying to hide it, believe it or not, it is clearly stated on the structure sheet. Taking a percentage out is common practice. Go to the Rio this summer and you will see a percentage taken out of every single prize pool, be it a $200 deep stack or the main event. Are you also going to say you don't have confidence or trust the WSOP?

I do agree with you that rooms that take money out up front for the staff need to be careful about how they solicit tips when paying out.

Botswami, it appears that the 2% has really affected you. Just to be very clear, if I wanted the 2% to be a secret I would not have documented it on every page of the booklet. There is no reason to hide the 2% held from the prize pool for the dealing staff because it is common practice. We are actually taking less than the norm in Florida. I agree it would be much easier to simply follow the lead of other rooms and show the buy-in as the full amount without a breakdown. I was trying to avoid the guessing game for the players. And if we are offering a better rate than other rooms why not document it? To make you feel more comfortable here is the breakdown the way you have requested.
Event 1 $70.56 + $8 + $1.44
Event 2 $245 + $25 + $5
Event 3 $98 + $15 + $2
Event 4 $98 + $10 + $2
Event 5 $161.70 + $15 + $3.30
Event 6 $147 + $15 + $3
Event 7 $176.40 + $20 + $3.60
Event 8 $102.99 + $15 + $2.01
Event 9 $58.80 + $5 + $1.20
Event 10 $196 + $20 + $4
Event 11 $294 + $25 + $6
Event 12 $147 + $15 + $3
Event 13 $176.40 + $20 + $3.60
Event 14 $392 + $40 + $8
Event 15,16,17 $88.20 + $10 + $1.80

LOL

Go Pablo!

Just some tournament fyi. All payouts will be done with with payout vouchers at the tournamnet desk to be redeemed at the cashier. No prizes paid at the table and def no soliciting.

This is beyond absurd, please don't try and claim what winning players want if you in fact have no idea what you're talking about.

No winning player wants to tip upfront considering you only cash in a small % of the tournaments you play. We'd like to tip when we win $$. Dealer add-ons are terrible for players but I've quit arguing against them because they are not going anywhere anytime soon. To hear someone claim "winning players want to tip upfront" is kinda infuriating.

In the OmahaHL, why is it necessary to have such big ante s, other than to get the

tournament over faster

If you only cash in a small % of the tournaments you play you are NOT a winning player. An average player cashes 10% of the time. A winning player cashes significantly more than that. Believe it or not, I can actually handle simple math. I prefer to tip $10-20 every time instead of a percentage of my take when I win.

At the kennel club I have only heard players ask when they were going to add the upfront appreciation. I have never heard one complaint. I suppose players elsewhere might feel differently.

Of course you are better off w/o the add-on if it is actually your intent not to tip at all. Or if you have a losing percentage.

On the other hand, for example, if your combined winnings for 6 tournaments is $2500, would you not normally tip more than $60? even if you did not cash in 3 or even 4 of those tournaments?

But thanks for your very polite criticism it must be nice to feel so superior.

(By the way I have cashed in 8 of the last 10 tournaments I have entered, not typical but it has been a nice little run. No huge cashes yet, which is all the more reason that I prefer not to give up a chunk)