The schedule is out.

http://www.venetian.com/assets/DSE_IV_2014-Schedule.pdf

Thanks !
Nice to see the 250$ (with multiple flights) back ! And nice to see the DSE still offer HORSE, Stud, PLO and PLO8...

I'll be out for the ME. Looking forward to being back in Vegas and seeing y'all at Venetian.

$252+48 juice horse and omaha 8 tournaments dont excite me. Buyin too small and rake too high.

The exact same limit event crowd would play $500 events with similar juice.

Please reconsider. Venetian makes same or more money and may actually get more limit players interested. And gets higher end limit players in the poker room.

I have to agree with Alan on this one. That rake is way too high. The rake is going up way too much in all tournies lately. Add the automatic 3% to the dealers and it is just getting too damn much. Structure is where it is at not necessarily 15,000 chips. Most limit players realize this as we aren't newbies onto the scene like NL.

+1 to raising the horse event to 500. If you do and don't increase the juice I promise I'll go up there and play it.

A $500 horse or Omaha 8 with same juice would draw more players than the current offering will. I agree wholeheartedly.

+1 with the same juice or close.

Tommy. Are those rates correct? The weekday rate is the same as weekend? $199/night or is it a typo?

For Nov, that was the best rate we could get for both weekday and weekend. Lots of big conventions in the hotel that month, I do apologize.

Tommy

I have a comment on these events.

Over the last year or so there has been a gradual shift towards events with 3 day-1s:

From none in the first DSE of 2014 we have had 4 in each of DSE 3.5 and DSE 4.0. I dare say this attracts the local market with the promise of big money for the winner, and allows large guarantees to be put in place, but be aware of what a pain it is for tourists like myself. If I book a trip to Vegas from Sunday-Sunday and you have an event with Day 1s on Thu/Fri/Sat I can't play in it as I'm flying home on the day of the final day. So that's potentially half my holiday when I can't play in the events I'm travelling to play in.

The problem is exacerbated if people travel over for shorter periods of time.

I/We either have to book later and more expensive flights once the schedule is released or risk having to play elsewhere.

In today's poker climate, players are looking for value and large prize pools, which these tournaments can provide. The events without a big guarantee do not draw as well. So in your opinion, how can solve this challenge of offering big guarantees that can offer our players value, yet still provide a schedule that works for our players who have to travel?

Also, as most of my weekend guarantees will always finish on Sun, are mon - mon flights possible? As I am not a huge traveler, I am not aware if Monday's are a more expensive day to fly compared to Sunday's.

Thanks for the discussion

Tommy

In my experience, Sunday flights tend to be a bit more expensive since there's a fair bit of business travel on Sundays and lots of people coming home from somewhere on the weekend. But, sometimes Monday flights are difficult to book too. It really depends on the route and the time of year.

However, I too am a tourist in Vegas and have to plan my flights accordingly. Tommy, to that end, can you give any indication as to when these 3-day-1 tourneys tend to end. You say that most of them end on Sun. Does that mean before 12:00 am? What were the circumstances which led some of them to go beyond Sunday? Field size? Something else?

One piece of information which is seldom if ever provided with tournament results is date/time of completion and completion circumstances (ie deal, played out, etc.). This sort of info would make it easier for players to plan their trips and avoid stress and/or disappointment. I usually try and build in a buffer day at the end of my trip, but this is not always possible.

Understood

Two ways work for me.
1) Release the schedule earlier - although I'm sure you don't want to/can't do this. Not least because you want to learn the lessons from DS[x] before you decide what to run in DS[x+1]
2) Have some general guidelines as to how the schedule might run

That is exactly what I'm talking about. I noticed that in DS4 three times a tournament was scheduled to finish on a Sunday but once (24th November) on a Monday(is this because of thanksgiving?). I didn't know whether it was coincidence or not, or whether this was likely to be the case in DS1.

I'd like two things.
1) A statement along the lines of 'we will aim to schedule our guaranteed weekend tournaments to end on a Sunday'. (It seems like you do, but I was unaware of this).

2) A statement (or guidance) indicating when the main event is likely to be. Some people will definitely want to be there for that. Some people won't have the bankroll and will want to avoid that. Either way if you book your flight for the wrong weekend you won't be happy.

I am aware that you have to be careful with main events not to clash with similar tournaments elsewhere, but if I had the above two I'd be happy booking flights.

I travel from England, and there isn't a significant and predictable difference between prices on different day of the week, so Mon->Mon would be fine for me.

Thank you. Really great to be able to have these conversations.

How late does HORSE usually play out on day 2? (If I come out there I would want to catch a flight out late friday evening).

With a 2pm restart, I would expect it to finish between 7-9pm if it plays all the way out.

Tommy

Congratulations to Thi Nguyen, a lady from Toronto, for winning the Main Event for $120,556, minus 30% withholding tax.
Was the original guarantee $500,000 then Venetian lowered it to $400K?

This thread is about DSE IV
The tournament you are talking about is the main event for DSE 3.5
Different series. No guarantees were changed.

FYI, Priceline has the Venetian for $149 through the week in November and their Express deals are $104 midweek. It is the 5 star North with a $28 resort fee, make sure it is the one that has a casino. The hotel without a casino is the Trump.

Tommy, are you planning to run another New Years series this year?

We are hosting it again December 26th- Jan 4th with $300K in guarantees. The schedule can be seen here

http://www.venetian.com/assets/NYE_E..._v20141008.pdf

Tommy

Great news, thanks Tommy!

Hey Tommy, why not 2 days with 4 flights, like noon and 4pm? This will raise the prize pool and maintain a 3 day tournament. Or, have your normal noon event and an afternoon or evening multiflight, offering another option for people who are hear for a shorter period of time or already made day 2.

Would like to see more afternoon events other than NLHE.

See you guys the week of the 9th.

We have experimented with multiple flights on one day. Non summer, they dont work very well as we saw very weak numbers for the early evening flight
. During this past summer, we did same day flights and they worked well.

I appreciate the feedback as always

Tommy

hi tommy,

where can we get wire info?

thanks