I don't know why poker players would want to play at the Venetian when there are so many other options during the WSOP. Don't give your money to Alderson so he can pay off senators to ban online poker.

During the summer DSE, 12pm on the dot will be a little busy. But honestly, the longest wait should be 5-7 minutes. Usually we go through any line pretty fast. I would expect 200-400 for the $500 events.

Tommy

Bingo! Most of us are looking at how everything around town fits together, you can't seem to look beyond the walls of the Venetian.

You may have a point. It's been nearly 10 months since I personally played in one - 2 June 2013. That's certainly more than enough time to make an assertion like that. (There may have been more in last summer's DSE - I wound up leaving LV on 4 June for family reasons).

I reckon both of them recognise that they now have an opportunity to make a big dent in this market, that's why they've further delayed their schedules.

Because irrespective of my views and disappointment with the schedule, Tommy is known to put on a fine show and the DSE is an enjoyable event to participate in.

Some players support Adelson's position. Others don't care either way. And still others don't allow their views on the subject to affect their judgment about the product the Venetian is selling.

I think those are pretty much the 3 reasons why poker players would want to play the Venetian.

I'm not sure why you keep saying that even though I have repeatedly accepted the legitimacy of your point of view as someone who would like to play the DSE as a plan B. That being said, I think we've probably covered everything that is to be covered regarding Friday tournament scheduling. It will be interesting to see if the DSE modifies its schedule next year to accommodate WSOP players more.



Yeah, I guess it will be interesting to see what they come up with. I have never played a tournament in either venue, but I tend to hear decent things. The problem has usually been... they don't have the space to get the field size I'm looking for. I don't know if that will change this year and, despite seemingly annual reduction in space at the DSE, they still have a built-in advantage of having a huge poker room.

Now I understand that building an enormous poker room that will really only be needed a few times a year is not going to happen. In fact, the opposite is occurring in Vegas as one by one poker rooms are being reduced or eliminated. But what I never understood is why poker rooms have such a hard time getting access to convention space during the WSOP. I guess, if I'm to supply a plausible answer to my own question, its that the folks who book conventions space, even during the summer off-season, pay more than casinos make in tournament poker. Its really sad how low on the totem pole our beloved sport/occupation/degenerate activity, what have you, has become in the overall brick and mortar gaming world.

We have looked in to convention space every year. In fact, I have looked at convention space 5 years from now, as we already have bookings that far out. We can't just say, hey, let's use convention space and put in more tables. There are a couple weeks over the summer where every meeting room, and I do mean every single one in both the Venetian and Sands Expo is filled by companies for a huge convention. These groups take up 10's of thousands of Hotel Room nights / plus food and beverage / plus shows / plus gaming / plus a multitude of things that we could never even come close to comparing to.

I have tried every possible way that I could. I have asked favor upon favor to see if things could get moved one way or another. When you actually get to see the numbers, it just doesnt make sense. Even someone who has zero business sense could look at the comparison and know right away what a difference it is.

Saying to yourself, " making a schedule is easy. Just put this event here and that event there " = profit as you guys say.

When you factor in 10 moving parts, it just isnt that easy and some things have to be cut and some things are an educated guess.

Tommy

Convention space a huge ordeal. Impossible to lock up for extended periods of time and huge surveillance issues. Best option is the one you chose. Dont get bullied.

tommy any sats to the sub 500$ tourny?

We won't offer Mega's, but we will offer single table satellites very morning from 9am - 12pm

Tommy

can we get a structure sheet for the $2,500 ?

What was the back room you used last year primarily for the 7pm tournaments?

I am working on the structure sheets now. Probably wont release them for 7-10 days

Tommy

The old Dos Caminos restaurant

Tommy

If it were such an "ordeal", I doubt that Tommy, a person who knows what he's doing, would try so hard each year to obtain it. The reasons he doesn't get it each year have nothing to do with surveillance, or any other mythical explanation you would like to pretend to know about. The casino simply won't grant him the space for business reasons. If tournament poker made more money than corporate buffets and meetings or whatever the hell else they have going on, then the tournaments would be held in the convention space.

And the only people bullying Tommy on this board or anywhere else are people who bash him about the schedule or insist that his marketing techniques meet with their approval. I wonder if there's anyone like that here.

Please to be going away and never return

You will be missed.

How do you see the detailed structure sheets?

They aren't all done yet. I anticipate releasing them by the end of next week

Tommy

Thanks, can I access any from last year just for a point of reference?

Just to give you a heads up:

20,000 chips with 60/75/75 min levels.

Sheets should be released next week.

Tommy

Make sure you have the key levels that seem to be the favorites to skip.

250-500 50
2500-5000 500
25000-50000 5000

We have had those levels since 2012.

Tommy

Excellent.

Is the $2500 a three day event? Thanks for your work Tommy, I've been to the deep stack twice and had a great time both times. Looking forward to this summer.

It will be schedule that way, yes. I just don't see any way that it could finish on Day 2 .

Tommy