I'm just back from Vegas where I played the DSE I and Caesars WSOP ring events. Now that the WSOP summer schedule is out, hopefully Tommy and the gang are going to be releasing their DSE III schedule in the not-too distant future. Some thoughts...

1) First off, as always the Venetian provided a well-run tournament. They had some computer issues which made things a little less smooth than usual, but it wasn't that big a deal. Well done.

2) I am a little skeptical about holding the entire DSE III within the confines of the re-furbished poker room. While holding it here in years past provided more walk-up traffic, which is good, I just don't see how there is enough space. Will additional tables be added elsewhere in and around the Sands Poker Room during the summer series, or at lease during the peak period towards the end of june/early july?

3) With the demise of the Caesars poker room and summer series by extension, and an unlikely chance (at least IMO) that they revive their summer series somewhere else (like PH, for instance), I think this presents a great opportunity for the DSE. While the Caesars events were differently structured and catered to a somewhat different crowd, there's still overlap which the DSE can take advantage of. And in particular, I think the DSE can benefit from holding a tournament similar to the old Caesars ME, and prior to the DSE ME. If the WSOP can buck years of precedence and offer a tournament where players get 10x their buy-in in chips, there's no reason why the DSE can't figure out a way to have a slightly poorer structured tournament that has more than 2 day 1's and gets a massive field right after the WSOP day 1's end.

EDIT: The Venetian DSE III schedule is now posted:




Pre-schedule discussion moved to this thread. - KM

Structure sheet, room rates and other details can be found at:

http://www.venetian.com/deepstack.ht...source=message

What happened to the limit events? What a garbage schedule. Last years was perfect. This is horrible. Nlhe everyday? Too bad. No venetian for me this year

Damn my whole trip is scheduled around when the 1100 and 1600 are. I miss most of the 400/600 action. Lots of holes left to fill

Very disappointing. No HORSE or OE. Just two O8 events and one of them in late May when there is nothing going on. At least put the $400 O8 closer to another WSOP O8 event. The only good thing I see for mixed game folks is that at least the $600 O8 is two days before the $1500 WSOP O8. Oh well, there's always hope the Wynn steps up and fills the gaps.

Wow horrible schedule compared to last year. Whats wrong with running nl at noon and a mixed event every afternoon. This should be called the nlh extravaganza

+1

3 survivor events total. I guess I may just pass on Vegas completely this summer.

Hey, Tommy. As someone who doesn't give a rat's ass about the mixed game stuff, I have no problem with your schedule. I think the prevalence of multiple start day tourneys reflect the reality of live tournaments these days and I hope they, in conjunction with your guarantees will serve to increase the prize pools over last year. If I had as big a head as doublejoker, I would proudly claim that the 1100 tourney you have starting on 7/8 was all my idea. However, I'm fairly certain you figured out that opportunity yourself. I would be interested in the structure of these. Are they available yet?

The only thing I would question about the schedule are the tournaments you have in the 6/23 - 6/27 range. As everyone knows, the WSOP is having their mega stack tournament starting on the 26th. The 1100 you have starting on the 23rd will probably be getting down to near the final table by the 26th, and that would normally be a sufficient consolation prize for skipping another event. However, most of us believe that WSOP tournament is going to be enormous. I, for one, am not going to be making any other plans that could interfere with playing it, even if it meant I made a final table. I would guess I'm not alone, so I think the numbers for that 1100 might be tamped down. I also think that 600 you have on the 25th could be a dud for the same reason. If I were you guys, I might have used the days around the 26th to have some of the mixed game tourneys that the elitist whiners on this board and elsewhere are always clamoring about. That, or you could have some of your lower buy-in ($400) tourneys that are less likely to compete with the WSOP 1500. I guess only time will tell if my prediction of the effect of the WSOP megastack will come true.

Anyhow, again, nice job. I look forward to seeing the structures. (particularly for that 1100 on the 8th)

What I believe is that poker players are not a monolith, no matter what flavor of game they prefer. I, for one, am not comfortable making idiotic statements like "Mixed game players want to play it out for a trophy and title." You shouldn't be comfortable making those kinds of statements either.

The reason mixed game players don't have as many options is because there aren't that many mixed game players (comparatively). When you guys' numbers match the volume with which you complain about TD tournament decisions, that may no longer be the case.

I suspect they don't run those in the afternoon for one of two reasons.

1) There just isn't enough space or, more likely
2) They aren't interested in reserving space and time for turnouts that will in all likelihood disappoint.

More wonderful pearls of wisdom from akashenk. Hey pal, here's an idea, why don't you just stay out of all the mixed game talk and focus on all the options you have to play NLHE. I don't know who you are or what you do for a living (besides consistently posting a bunch of drivel on every thread on 2+2) but I'm pretty sure the majority of the mixed game players are sick of hearing YOU whine about US complaining. Your arrogance is quite annoying.

tissue?

P.S... this is my thread. If I want to comment on how much you guys are whining... I'll do it.

+1 and please post a link ITT when structures are available. The $5k HU is pretty exciting...hope the structure is decent. The schedule doesn't say whether this will be a one or two day event. I'm hoping two.

+1 on horrible schedule. Does any other casino have Survivor tournaments during the WSOP?

I don't appreciate being called an idiot. I play 200plus events a year at venues all over the country, I probably Have a way better grasp of the tournament scene than you do.

Where are you getting this information. Do you just make t up as you go? The mixed events at Venetian have done well there for years when scheduled near wsop similar mixed events.

I don't believe I called you an idiot. Smart people say stupid things all the time. And yes, we all know what an overflowing fount of tournament poker knowledge you are. You've said as much on MANY occasions.

If the mix games were in demand, there would be more mixed games. What, you think Tommy has some sort of axe to grind against mixed games? Personally I think he routinely bends over backwards to try and satisfy mixed-game players. But the bottom line is the bottom line and mixed game players haven't been showing up in sufficient numbers to justify using the space when more lucrative alternatives are available.

The only way mixed games will grow is if the opportunity to play them is made available. The Venetian made this possible last year. This schedule is truly disappointing. I guess the Venetian doesn't want to be a leader, just a follower.

The Venetian certainly went hog-wild with mix games last year.. and it was such a big hit that they decided to not do anything like that again this year. And by the way, no casino is responsible "growing" their popularity. When you guys start pleasantly surprising TDs with your attendance instead of constantly disappointing them, then maybe you will get your wish. Until then, this notion that casinos, or the poker world somehow "owes" mixed game players anything is about as comical as it gets. Casinos, like any business, try to satisfy demand. If there were demand for lots of mixed games, there would be lots of mixed games. Unfortunately for you and your ilk, your level of whining doesn't equate to butts in seats.

I shall pass in Venitian only if I need to go in Restroom when I walked on the Strip.

I am disappointed by this program, fortunately that it stays Golden Nugget...

Grand Poker Series JUNE 4 – JULY 3, 2014

This month-long series will feature more than 270 200+ poker tournaments including Omaha High/Low, HORSE, Badugi, Mixed Games, 7 Card Stud and NLHE

I'm not in love with this schedule (I miss last year's variety) but Venetian is still a great place to play.

A few questions for Tommy :

- I really like the two daily flights idea (1A at noon, 1B at 5pm). Can we buy-in 1B after playing 1A? how many levels will be played, twelve ? even for a 5 pm start I hate playing after 3 am...

- I like the multi-tables satellites for big buy-in events, and not only the main event, but will you still run sit&go's ?

Thanks !

stupid money grab

Very disappointed schedule, Tow years ago i was in vegas to play WSOP, and i found my self playing only 1 WSOP and 5 DSE in venetian. is this the finel schedule ?