Based upon his most recent response, they are either confirmed obvious troll or certifiably French (you know, like that author Alexandra DUMASS)...

How rude are you? Calling people dumbass just proves your own ignorance. I guess you must be a casino employee or something. That's why you go crazy and act like someone take away your benefits. No one likes rude people and you can no longer be a part this conversation. Go away.

Tin foil card protectors out everyone

You haven't even BEGUN to see rude...and rare is the instance in my time on 2P2 that I have been rude. And no, I am not nor have I ever BEEN a casino employee. Instead I am simply a person OUTSIDE of the casino environs who is capable of possessing and employing common sense.

Oh, and guess what...YOU don't dictate who gets to be involved in a thread. Talk about rude...

Non optical shuffle machine is a must.

They meet in a place called The Meadows. The committee is also made up of the Getty's, the Rothschilds, the Queen , the Vatican and Colonel Sanders before he went teets up.

they put an addictive chemical on the cards that makes ya crave it fortnightly, smartass!

Wash the cards!

Im sure that people who are against automatic shufflers to speed the game up love to say this.

I want to share my personal experience and observation when I played the 2016 summer classic $1600 NLH $750K GTD on July 16-19 at W*** in Las Vegas. I remember when day 2 ended the floor man provided the slips and told players to write down first and last name, tournament chip count. That was it. My question is why did we have to wait until next day to get the new seat? How did we know it was random? When I played in another casino and by the end of the day, the floor man shuffled the slips in front of all players and handed it to each player before bagging. The slip clearly stated restart date, restart time, new table # and new seat #, name and chip count.

Additionally, the tournament shuffled by hand in day 1 and 2. Going to Day 3 (final day) with 55 players left, the floor man announced “We are going to use shuffling machines today.” I was surprised to hear that because I didn’t expect that they were using machines. I really wanted to ask him why he used machines when real money was in play but I was afraid I could become a target so I stayed quiet. After playing about 30 minutes, the floor man started breaking tables and gave the seat card to each player. It was very interesting to see that six A*** guys were assigned to sit at the same table (table 24). I thought kinda strange. All of sudden bad beats started to happen very quickly. This is when I started to take notes while playing. For example:
Hand # 1: seat # 3 (66s) vs seat # 9 (KsQc). There’s a rise pre flop and a call. Flop comes QhQd6s. Both players go all in. Turn comes 10s. River comes 10d giving seat # 9 better full house. (Time: 4:35pm)
Hand # 2: seat # 1 (pocket 10s) vs seat # 4 (4h2h), this guy was a new player coming to table with short stack and decided to go crazy first hand with 42 for all his chips with bottom pair and flush drawn. Flop comes 4sKh10h. He bets and his opponent calls. Turn card is a 6c. He goes all in. His opponent quickly calls turning over set of 10s. River comes a 9h giving him K high flush. (Time: 5pm)
It’s very suspicious how those Wh*** guys kept sucking out every big pot and it always happened on the river. Unbelievable. I would never risk my money playing if I knew they were using shufflers in the end.

Wow, shuffling machines are racist too? I never imagined.

As mentioned earlier in the thread, if they had enough shufflers to use them on day 1, they would. Apparently they had at least 7 so they put the day 3 in that section.

Different tournaments use different methods for assigning players. I was about to describe the merits and downsides to each but it seemed like wasted effort in this train wreck of a thread.

A little known fact is that shuffle machines were essential components of early Klan rituals.

This is crazy, and I am glad you were able to discover this. Could you tell if the shufflers used optical sensors to determine the melanin content of each player before stacking the deck, or do you think the floor was doing it remotely?

Also, good on you to discover the secret plan of putting all (I assume) Asian players at a table, and then send in one white guy to wipe them out. I mean, if you are going to rig the game (both setting up the tables, and then stacking the deck), it makes much more sense to be very obvious about it rather than subtle by spreading the Asians out and then having them coolered. Nope, any good rigged game will put all the pigeons at one table, then use ridiculously bad stacked decks with play that makes no sense.

Or, you know, bad players and variance.

Yeah! If tournaments were rigged the casinos might favour the players with the biggest baccarat habbits.

Wow.

5* first post...troll factor is strong in this one.

Had you really played, you probably might have noticed that Day 1 and Day 2 were held in the original poker room, which didn't have shuffle machines installed.

That would be why they weren't used...because they weren't even there!

I can describe little details based on what I saw. The shufflers had the red+green button with the screen saying 52 cards and had no logo.* There is a reason to believe that the shufflers had optical sensors.

Do I have to prove to you or everyone else I played ? Why do you think I took note of the event?* I still keep copy of the slip showing my name and chip count for day 2. I played day 1 in the original poker room. I was assigned to play day 2 in the new poker room where the shufflers installed but they did not use the shufflers that day. I remember playing about an hour the female floor sent me and other players to the orginal poker room and ended up staying there all day on day 2.

The shuffler at your table wouldn't be used if ANY players were at a table with no shufflers.

If the machine had red and green buttons, it's an old one and does not have optical sensors. The new ones have only a green button, say "Deckmate 2" on them, and have a little touch screen that is mounted somewhere on the table.

The newer ones aren't riggable either, just saying that wasn't one. By all means, though, keep hyper focusing on this instead of trying to understand variance or improving your game.

Even it's an old shuffler, it must have some sort of sensors in order to count 52 cards and know which card is missing.
Do your research, if you google "Analysis of casino shelf shuffling machines - department of statistics." You will find an article with 24 pages, just download pdf file and read it. Basically what it says is that casino equipment manufractuer hired a team of stasticicans from Standford University to test their shufflers. The team performed tests to measure how random the shuffer's results were. They discovered that the shuffler was not random enough to be used in a casino. In fact, the stasticians have reported that the president of the company responded "We are not pleased with your conclusions, but we believe them and that's what we hired you for." Next time when you go to the casino, make sure you sit at a poker/blackjack table with Standford statisticians.

Not random enough is NOT the same as a machine being rigged. And no, I do not need to read a file to tell me that...

That study was an evaluation of a new shuffler design that uses a completely different mechanism. Changes were made to improve the design based on the feedback they got so there's nothing to indicate the problems even made it out into any casino.

The pdf DOES actually says that the standard hand shuffle used on poker tables is not completely random, so I would recommend you swap positions and start lobbying against hand shuffling. Really, it's there - if you can actually understand the thing you'll find it.

Any question is who is your handler.

I'm so happy to see other people are seeing this happening also besides me this happened to me a couple of years ago in St Pete Florida at a cardroom plus dog track it was a $10,000 guarantee but the only catch is they had no more than 30 players to play in this tournament so in the beginning it was all the tables we played on had no automatic shuffles then when we got down to the last four tables they brought in this guy that all the dealers all the management knew him and he ended up winning the tournament so that tells me that all they were doing is getting their money back because the turnout didn't happen the way they hoped it would so they always have ways of getting their money back by using these automatic shuffles because they can be manipulated

Kind of a strange bump of an almost 8 year old thread.

I am not saying that poker tournaments are being rigged.

But it can be with the help of a shuffling machine.

A shuffling machine can be programmed to infinite details like which seat gets which starting cards and which will be flop , turn and river cards.

But why a casino will do that where they are not a bank but just dealing cards.

I think any table games where players are playing against the casino (bank) are more likely.

But again we don’t know.

But one thing for sure. All the casino jurisdictions should come up with explanation of how they are verifying the programing of a shuffling devices.