NO. I am not making it up. I am just stating my observation. You will see when the deck comes out there will be spots in the deck with cards sticking out and an experience dealer knows exactly where to cut it.

Mods please lock. Obvious troll.

everyone has different opinions. Just because you disagree with someone so it must be troll? I feel like this is an important topic that's why i want to open this discussion up.

+1

if not troll, dumbest person ive ever seen.

Thanks buddy. A dumber person can only find dumbness in me. Is there anything else you want to say to make yourself feel better?

bye felicia

put your tin foil hat on and stay home....

Don't get me wrong, i just want everybody to have a fair and square game but i am afraid (mostly true) not in case of those 37% people and they are a MINORITY so let's screw them over, when they complain ,just say it's variance

I've been playing poker many years and in my opinion, 10 years ago poker was more honest than it is today..

You keep ignoring the fact that the casino has very little to gain and an enormous amount to lose by rigging shuffle machines. If you are concerned about the integrity of poker games, you ought to be concerned about collusion/signaling, chip-cheating and daubing, probably in that order.

Why would a casino even WANT to rig a tournament?

something something action flops something something faster rake something something card reader something

there is no reason. its just a blathering fool.

From what I hear, you can get a reciever implanted in your tooth that can read the card signals. If you have full dentures you can know what all the hole cards at the table are. It's a lot cheaper than the eye implant everyone knows about.

Lol at card shufflers rigging the game... and they switch over late because they usually don't have enough machines for all the tables.

Buuutttt... There is a legitimate beef to be had with switching to auto-shuffle:
Just as you buy into a tournament with the understanding that blinds go up every x minutes, you also have an average expectation that blinds are coming around 3 times an hour. Once you switch to auto-shuffle, you are now close to 4 times an hour +/-. Unless specified in advance, this would be a huge in-game rule change to a short-stack or patient player.

People have no idea how invisible a good card mechanic's moves are. There are tons of people out there who can give a guy any card they want whenever they want, no problem, and you'll never know it. Playing the reg-heavy tournaments around here, I feel better with a shuffler than I do with a hand deal. Every time I play live it's me and a bunch of guys who are friends with all the dealers. I've played games where the dealer is openly rooting against me because the opponent is a nice guy and a good tipper she sees every day, and I only come in once or twice a month. I'd just as soon let the machine handle the cards. Then it takes a big conspiracy to rip me off, not just a single human with skills and an agenda.

So we should change the Title of the thread to "Dealers, can they be trusted?.. should we use shuffle machines all the time ?"

Arguing with a conspiracy person is entirely pointless, but amusing to watch.

I didn't say that. All I said was IMO you are more likely to be robbed by a dealer with skills and a partner than you are to be victimized by a massive conspiracy to rig the automatic shufflers. That is a reasonable response to OP. The skills needed to deal seconds are fairly simple, anyone who can pull off a decent card trick could learn to do it. The complexity of rigging the shufflers would be a big deal. In fact you hear about cheating dealers all the time, but have you ever heard something credible about rigged shufflers? No. Of course if you think cheating dealers are thread worthy go ahead and start one. This one about rigged shufflers is barely thread worthy anyway.

Think this one through a bit more. You'll see that this change (getting in more hands per hour) is a benefit to the short-stack or patient player, not a detriment.

Cheers, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

There is a secret committee made up of the execs from Bally's / Shuffle, a few gaming regulators (who are bribed to look the other way on the rigged gaming equip) and all major casinos.

They meet quarterly and decide how to rig the late stages of poker tournaments. They really dont know why they want to rig the late stages of poker tournaments, but they just do.

I have documentation !!!

Fact !!!

Please Start a Pokerleaks and release these documents ! loooool

They discovered he HAD the documents and he has been cut from the deck...there is NO end to which the powers that be will not go to silence those who KNOW!

I'm sure someone else said that it's much easier to rig using a live dealer vs a machine. Anyway, for *consistency* the tourney should've used all machines or all live dealers from start to end. Just a poorly managed event but nothing shady imo.

Thanks for making my miserable life a little bit easier to handle for a minute.

There must be reasons behind why they want to rig the late stages of poker tournaments. Like MODFW said they want to pick winners and losers. They may be bias. who knows.
I am really interested to read if you don't mind emailing me documentation. jwma001@yaho,,,, thanks buddy!