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Old 05-31-2012, 11:18 PM   #76
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I understand that, but with huge money on the line, they would be stupid putting the more novice dealers in the box. And BTW, you're saying that I'm advocating people playing tournaments that are "barely mtts"? Is the Rio more of an MTT than a nightly with 15 tables, just because of the actual number of runners? It's already been mentioned that the Rio's are shove-fests quite a bit before being ITM so what constitutes that being "more than barely a mtt" than other daily/nightly mtts @ Venetian/Aria?
You are talking to the wrong person, I misread the post about the Wynn. I love Venetian MTTs and are certainly better in most areas compared to Rio but the Rio dailies are perfect fit what they are, just have to get better dealers for all tournes ESP since its the WSOP.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:21 PM   #77
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Do not tell me in this economy that the WSOP could raise its standards and wouldnt find plenty of dealers better than the crap I saw last night. I know about the historical bad reviews but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be constantly addressed.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:21 PM   #78
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Demand>Supply.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:23 PM   #79
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Caesars today literally had a dealer deal his first hand. I had to show him how to count chips, how to pull in the pot before dealing the flop, and remind him several times that he hadn't collected everyone's folded cards before shuffling.
/facepalm

The WSOP grabs up so many dealers that all the noob dealers come out to make a quick buck.
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Old 06-01-2012, 01:53 AM   #80
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:00 AM   #81
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Demand>Supply.
Nope. They are hiring bad/new dealers on purpose. For what reason is up for speculation.
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Old 06-01-2012, 04:56 AM   #82
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Re: Rio Daily Deepstacks (during wsop)

These Rio dailies have to be the softest MTTs in the history of the world. However, ROIs are hurt drastically by crapshootiness of the structure as well as slow dealers and hollywooding players. Also, most the players are pretty miserable/clueless/awful people and I'm not sure if any EV is worth having to spend the hours sitting in their presence.
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Old 06-01-2012, 08:45 AM   #83
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It certainly seemed like the rawest dealers are being put into the deepstack tournies although there are some experienced dealers mixed in. one of the stud8 FT dealers dealt to me in the first deepstack on sunday.
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Old 06-01-2012, 09:17 AM   #84
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Re: Rio Daily Deepstacks (during wsop)

This isn't unique to the Rio, Caesar's or anywhere else when you have big series going on.

The last few Borgata Open's have dealers who are just starting out and it can be brutally painful at time. On the bright side, it keeps you paying close attention to every hand.

The are only so many good dealers to go around.
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:28 AM   #85
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It certainly seemed like the rawest dealers are being put into the deepstack tournies although there are some experienced dealers mixed in. one of the stud8 FT dealers dealt to me in the first deepstack on sunday.
Don't feel special. Bad dealers are being used everywhere. The only exceptions seem to be cash games, where they try to have competent dealers for stud or PLO.

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The are only so many good dealers to go around.
There are plenty of good dealers around. Vegas is awash in unemployed or underemployed dealers. The WSOP also gets tons of applications from dealers all around the country. They choose to not have too many experienced dealers. I've known extremely competent dealers send in stellar resumes. They never even get called for auditions.
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Old 06-02-2012, 09:21 PM   #86
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Todays 2pm Deepstack numbers just tweeted. Looks like things are picking up....

2PM DeepStack @WSOPLiveAction @WSOP @RioVegas June 02, 2012 Entrants: 693 Prize Pool: $135,135 ITM: 72 First Place: $29,764
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Old 06-02-2012, 09:51 PM   #87
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Todays 2pm Deepstack numbers just tweeted. Looks like things are picking up....

2PM DeepStack @WSOPLiveAction @WSOP @RioVegas June 02, 2012 Entrants: 693 Prize Pool: $135,135 ITM: 72 First Place: $29,764
Those look much better, especially considering there was a 1500 NL wsop event today.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:16 PM   #88
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Don't feel special. Bad dealers are being used everywhere. The only exceptions seem to be cash games, where they try to have competent dealers for stud or PLO.



There are plenty of good dealers around. Vegas is awash in unemployed or underemployed dealers. The WSOP also gets tons of applications from dealers all around the country. They choose to not have too many experienced dealers. I've known extremely competent dealers send in stellar resumes. They never even get called for auditions.
A lot of the dealers are fresh out of school. The WSOP was expecting an increase in traffic so they went from having almost 400 tables to 500 this year. With this they had to hire a ton of dealers (over 1100 this year). With the increase in other states opening new rooms when people get jobs there, they aren't going to leave them for a month and a half job at the series.


The fact you think they prefer new dealers over experienced is pretty funny. They pay all the dealers the same amount regardless.

Reason you get a lot of crappy dealers in the tourneys is because they are afraid to deal cash. They don't want to be responsible for making the mistakes, and they get berated a hell of a lot more than in tourneys. Any decent dealer normally goes for cash games anyway because if they are good they make a ton more money than tourney.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:24 PM   #89
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The fact you think they prefer new dealers over experienced is pretty funny. They pay all the dealers the same amount regardless.
The FACT is I know dealers that are very good that applied and were never called.
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Old 06-03-2012, 08:59 PM   #90
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The FACT is I know dealers that are very good that applied and were never called.
another FACT is that i know people that have never dealt in their life and are currently dealing for wsop. how do you like them snapples?
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