There was an overwhelming sentiment against the current format of having wsopc main event day 1a at noon and day 1b at 5 pm on the same day.

Here are my thoughts.

Positives:

Traveling players can get there Saturday morning or late Friday night and play both flights.

If you bust day 1a you can get right back in the game and play 1b.

Negatives:

Too long a day for those who play over 4 hours in day1a and bust. I played noon to 5pm in 1a then registered 1b and played to 2am.

No dinner for those who play 1a and bust. I wound up playing straight thru for 14 hours with no reasonable chance to eat anything significant.

Many Players from 1a who bust are missing early levels of 1b. These are the levels when you can speculate and bust an opponent , also when you can get a feel for how people play.

1b players play to 2am and come back the same day at noon.

No chance to regroup and start over, since both events overlap.

No chance to obtain funds or play a mega if you bust 1a.


Here's my proposal:

Friday, keep the turbo they have at noon. At 6pm play day 1a of main event. You'll get a lot more recreational players on a Friday night, and by 6pm very few are left in a turbo anyway. The players who final table the turbo can enter day 1a late or still play 1b.

Players can eat dinner prior to the start of day 1a.

Players that bust 1a can play a mega, or single table throughout the night on Friday night, or a turbo mega on Saturday morning.

Advancing players from 1a have Saturday free to play lucrative cash games, or single tables.

Players who bust 1a have a full night to obtain funds for day 1b if needed.

Players have time to review their play in 1a, rather than rush hastily into 1b.

Day 1b starts at noon on Saturday.

Players are done by 9pm and all players from both flights are rested for day 2.



Which do you prefer?

The current format of overlapping day ones, or my proposal. If you like how it is now, let bill know as well.

Allen I like your idea and I already told Bill doing reentrys regardless of the buy in needs to be 2 days. One of the reasons for the reentrys is to build the field and doing it in one day like it is now limits the number of rebuys.

Agree ^

Current setup is great for working folk. Playing Friday would not be good for those that work and need to travel. Like the longer day 1 this year. Great for people who need to get back to work Monday.

Making it a 1 entry deal for those arriving Saturday would really make it less of an incentive to travel to a circuit event IMO.

Don't think "day is too long" or may miss 400BB poker or I need a full hour to eat a meal are worth changing the current structure.

For Southern Indiana its 11am for Day1A and 7pm for Day1B. This seems like better timing.

Still bad. You have to play straight thru from 11am to 4am if u bust, no dinner and day 2 the same day with no rest.

What are u talking about. I'm saying to start the Friday flight at 6pm. If u got there by 8 pm you'd only be at 100-200. You can still play a full day Saturday if u bust, and even Sunday if u skipped Friday. Unless u make day three u always get back by Monday regardless.

Where can you find the structure for these events? I just looked on wsop website, and can't find it. I'm assuming dinner break for A would be 7pm, since you are saying no dinner break still?

They only play eight hours so no need for dinner break.

In before title changed to "How I convinced the WSOP to fix their circuit tournaments."

And, order dinner at the table like the rest of us.

And and, guess you've never worked a real 12-14 hour a day job huh Allen?

*currently starting a "bill Bruce, tell wsopc grinders what you think of chainsaw" thread*

Can be hard to get there Friday depending on location. Its nice to have the longer day 1 if you need to travel back Sunday night so you're pretty deep if you need to stay an extra day.

I was pretty excited when they changed it this year to what it is. For example Tunica is about an 8 hour drive for me, about as far as I go. I'll probably make the trip this year but if they changed it as you suggest I would skip it.

Again I just don't think the benefits you put forth are very substantial.

I work a "real job" (or at least it seems real to me) and like Allen's proposal. Leave work noon'ish on Friday, gives you 8 or so hours which is plenty of time to get most places.

Allen's assessment is pretty much spot on. There should never be overlap of day 1 starting flights of a re-entry.

Just my personal inclination, not saying it *should* be one way or the other: I'm unlikely to play a same-day 1A/1B re-entry event. On the other hand I'm planning to go to Horseshoe Hammond for their two-starting-days WSOPC M.E.

I agree with Jody and Allen with it being on the same day it almost turns it into a rebuy but with full vig?

I don't see why you wouldn't want the chance to play two full rounds rather than playing one day fifteen hours straight thru if you bust. My proposal benefits good players. They get to play two full rounds if they bust and are well rested.

Need a travelling companion?

Most players (both pro and amatuer) dont spend the whole series on location. When they get in town, they want to get in as many tournaments as they can into as short a period as possible, so it is much better that a tournament has both of its flights played out on one day. Then the next we get in a new tournament.

This is only referring to the prelim re-entry version not the main.

its pretty brutal to have 2 flights on the same day.

id much rather start day 1a at noon and day 1b at noon the next day and play longer on each day 1.

+1

having two flights on same day is truly ******ed esp in places like AC where you will be getting much larger turnouts. Hammond and Vancouver have separate Day 1s on DIFFERENT days, this should be a standard except for maybe the smallest stops (rincon, s indiana, etc). If you insist on having them same day, there should be an adequate gap betw when 1A starts and when 1B starts esp since the main structure is better this year.

esp since the main structure is better this year

Is this true? I was under the impression day 1 levels were shorter this year.

Day 1 levels are still 40 mins which blows, but they have added levels like 250/500 to make it more compatible with other major events on the circuit

Pretty much this.

I'd like to see day 1's be 10-12 hrs long, like most other re-entry main events in the US. If day 1A is on a Friday, you can start it at 3pm, have 10 hrs of play (12 hrs including breaks) & finish by 3am. Late reg should be extended to 4hrs, both to maximize entries & to allow traveling players to enter day 1A at 7pm.

Day 1B can start at 1pm on Saturday and end around 1am. Those that busted day 1A near the end of the day can still get a full night's rest & not have to skip the start of day 1B. The longer day 1's will certainly increase entries, and having 1A & 1B on different days allows more flexibility for local players and satellite winners intending to only fire 1 bullet.

a really smart guy posted this way back in july in the other thread.





07-26-2012, 04:37 PM #334
riverdance
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why start day 1b at 5pm? that would roughly be level 7 of day 1a.

if you bust late day 1a, you are potentially re-entering day 1b approx level 5 or 6



seems like if you pushed it back to 6pm or 7pm, it would maximize the number of re-entries (and prizepool and rake)